Posts:
3,837
From:
JP
Registered:
4/6/05
|
|
|
|
[advocacy-discuss] OSUG Collective Landing Page
Posted:
Nov 5, 2009 9:29 AM
|
|
hey ... just to follow up on this thread a bit more:
http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=117218&tstart=0
Since OSUGs are a Collective now on the new site, they get a landing
page here (just as Projects and Communities):
http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/usergroups
http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/communities
http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/projects
Currently these 3 pages are hand edited, but in the near future the
lists of Collectives on the pages will come directly from XWiki/Auth
automatically, and we`ll just add some context with pointers at the top.
In the case of Communities and Projects, it`s easy since we only have
groups on this XWiki site we will be displaying. However, in the case of
User Groups, it gets more complex because Advocacy points to many groups
that are NOT on this site but have their own infrastructure elsewhere.
Also we have multiple display formats for the user groups -- a table, a
list, a map -- that all represent 3 slightly different subsets of groups
and the pages are owned by different people. There is no single list of
OSUGs, in other words. They all overlap. The only groups that will be
displayed on the landing page will be the ones that have spaces on XWiki
since that list will come from the Auth database. So, for that reason,
we should move the map and calendar from the landing page to the
Advocacy pages. That`s where they belong so the community can have
access to edit because only admins can edit the top level of the site
(which is what the landing pages are). Also, this way we can prepare for
the auto-generated landing pages and we`ll be consistent with the
landing pages for Projects and Communities.
Jim
_______________________________________________
advocacy-discuss mailing list
advocacy-discuss at opensolaris dot org
http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy-discuss
|
|
|
Posts:
329
From:
US
Registered:
6/7/05
|
|
|
|
Re: [advocacy-discuss] OSUG Collective Landing Page
Posted:
Nov 5, 2009 1:48 PM
in response to: jimgris
|
|
Hi Jim,
The intent of the list of OSUGs is to have one place where an individual
can go to look to see if there is an OSUG in their area. So, if the
list that shows up on the landing page is not able to include all OSUGs,
since some do not have spaces on XWiki, I do not think the list should
be displayed at all. It will only be confusing. If however, the
auto-generated list can be edited periodically to include the OSUGs that
do not have a space on XWiki, that would be OK too.
I've been talking to some of the OSUG leaders about what they would like
to see in the OSUG hub. I'd like to understand a bit more about the
relationship between this landing page and other pages available to all
OSUGs.
Thanks,
T
On 11/05/09 09:29, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> hey ... just to follow up on this thread a bit more:
>
> http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=117218&tstart=0
>
> Since OSUGs are a Collective now on the new site, they get a landing
> page here (just as Projects and Communities):
>
> http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/usergroups
> http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/communities
> http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/projects
>
> Currently these 3 pages are hand edited, but in the near future the
> lists of Collectives on the pages will come directly from XWiki/Auth
> automatically, and we`ll just add some context with pointers at the
> top. In the case of Communities and Projects, it`s easy since we only
> have groups on this XWiki site we will be displaying. However, in the
> case of User Groups, it gets more complex because Advocacy points to
> many groups that are NOT on this site but have their own
> infrastructure elsewhere. Also we have multiple display formats for
> the user groups -- a table, a list, a map -- that all represent 3
> slightly different subsets of groups and the pages are owned by
> different people. There is no single list of OSUGs, in other words.
> They all overlap. The only groups that will be displayed on the
> landing page will be the ones that have spaces on XWiki since that
> list will come from the Auth database. So, for that reason, we should
> move the map and calendar from the landing page to the Advocacy pages.
> That`s where they belong so the community can have access to edit
> because only admins can edit the top level of the site (which is what
> the landing pages are). Also, this way we can prepare for the
> auto-generated landing pages and we`ll be consistent with the landing
> pages for Projects and Communities.
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> advocacy-discuss mailing list
> advocacy-discuss at opensolaris dot org
> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy-discuss
_______________________________________________
advocacy-discuss mailing list
advocacy-discuss at opensolaris dot org
http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy-discuss
|
|
|
|
|
Posts:
3,837
From:
JP
Registered:
4/6/05
|
|
|
|
Re: [advocacy-discuss] OSUG Collective Landing Page
Posted:
Nov 5, 2009 10:01 PM
in response to: teresag
|
|
hey ...
Teresa dot Giacomini at Sun dot COM wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> The intent of the list of OSUGs is to have one place where an
> individual can go to look to see if there is an OSUG in their area.
But there is no single place and no single list and there never has
been. The OSUGs are distributed globally (unlike the Communities and
Projects on opensolaris.org) and many of them crop up out of nowhere and
go away just as quickly. And that's normal. My view is that attempts to
centralize everything involving OSUGs is not a good use of time nor is
it necessarily the best solution. And I don't think this is a bad
problem to have, too. We have a wealth of content to work with. We
currently have 3 lists -- and they all overlap:
User Groups that have spaces on XWiki:
https://auth.opensolaris.org/info/listCollectives.action?collectiveTypeId=5
User Groups that live in the Google Map:
http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/usergroups
User Groups that I have been maintaining in the ug-leaders grid:
http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+advocacy/ug-leaders
The reason these lists overlap is that we point to OSUGs that are not on
opensolaris.org, and I think that practice will (and should) continue.
> So, if the list that shows up on the landing page is not able to
> include all OSUGs, since some do not have spaces on opensolaris.org, I
> do not think the list should be displayed at all.
Well, we have been working for a year to build a new site and database
that would support getting the OSUGs on opensolaris.org on an equal
footing as Communities and Projects, so we will display them on the
landing page. It's also the same list of groups in the drop down menu in
the top left nav that appears on every page on the site. And, to be
honest, they should be displayed in those locations. They have gone
through our processes, they participate in our governance system, they
have been trusted to manage web spaces and mailing lists on this site,
and they participate on other mailing lists on the site. All of that is
not true with groups that we point to off of this site. The relationship
is clearly different.
> It will only be confusing.
Sure, it can be, I agree. But as I said it's really not a terrible
problem to have. We have many User Groups now and we need to just
explain the situation in text on that page and point to a list of other
groups (groups that live off of this site and run their own
infrastructure or use Facebook or Yahoo or Google, etc).
The only reason I built and maintained that ug-leaders table over the
last 3 years was to highlight the OSUGs in a separate list because on
the old site they were mixed in with the Projects -- and that was a
problem for both Collectives. But now the Collectives in the Auth
database are physically separate, so that table in its current form is
no longer needed. It was always a temporary solution. Now, it's just
mostly duplication. Perhaps the table can be used to list only the
groups that are NOT on opensolaris.org? There is no reason to duplicate
information, and that table is one massive duplication at this point.
Also, Advocacy has many editors now (more than any other Collective on
the site). All the Leaders and Affiliates on this page can edit their
own spaces /and/ Advocacy pages right now:
https://auth.opensolaris.org/info/collectiveUsers.action?collectiveId=311
Here is how the roles work:
http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+web/transition-roles-collectives
> If however, the auto-generated list can be edited periodically to
> include the OSUGs that do not have a space on XWiki, that would be OK
> too.
>
> I've been talking to some of the OSUG leaders about what they would
> like to see in the OSUG hub. I'd like to understand a bit more about
> the relationship between this landing page and other pages available
> to all OSUGs.
The landing pages are just navigational spaces to help people drill into
the site to find the Collectives: Community Groups, Projects, User
Groups. It lives at the top level of the site where only administrators
can edit (which was the same structure as the old site). Since only a
few people have access to those pages we need to keep those pages small
in number and push the substance of the content into the areas where the
community has access to edit -- the Collectives.
Jim
_______________________________________________
advocacy-discuss mailing list
advocacy-discuss at opensolaris dot org
http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy-discuss
|
|
|
|
|
