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Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
opensolaris.org
Posted:
Oct 10, 2006 9:22 PM
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Hello, Internationalization & Localization Community.
Below is a proposal that the OpenSolaris team at Sun is implementing on
opensolaris.org: Language/Country Portals for the OpenSolaris Community.
We'd like to engage this community in this effort because you have
expertise and contacts around the world. We welcome your suggestions and
participation.
Issue:
Presently, OpenSolaris is primarily an American community because:
(1) the project is based in the U.S.,
(2) it's only about a year old,
(3) the majority of content is in English, and
(4) the majority of the participants speak English.
Also, website statistics demonstrate that this trend is not changing
very much. So, growing the OpenSolaris community into non-English
regions (in both emerging markets and mature markets) will be difficult
without the ability to communicate in multiple languages. Although the
site's lists support multi language conversations, the content on the
site itself is basically English. While many developers know enough
English to participate in technical conversations, this isn't true for
the majority of developers we'd like to reach out to. And even many of
these English-speaking developers would prefer to engage in their own
language.
Goal:
To offer the OpenSolaris community the ability to build local
language/country portals onto opensolaris.org within top level domains
to increase community participation in non-English speaking regions.
Implementation:
This proposal comes with some freedom and some responsibility:
Each region will have the freedom to translate existing content, create
original content, and manage their portal pages for their community. An
opensolairs.org template will be provided so that the site's
international portals have a common look/feel and a direct tie to the
main site. This tie is important because the language portals will be
hosted on opensolaris.org infrastructure, we'd like to maintain some
consistency among the portals, and website data will be collected to
demonstrate results.
Also, we'd like for each region to have a leader responsible for
communicating on website-discuss to develop relationships with the
website team and to be aware of major content updates, bug fixes, down
time, etc. Each region can choose a leader and translate and write
content any way they want, of course. So, if there are 10
country/language portals, then there will be 10 country/language portal
leaders managing their portals but also communicating on website-discuss
to address any issues. Also, although we want to encourage flexibility
and the creation of local content, we will be suggesting that certain
pages on the site be translated directly or pointed to so that important
information about the project remains consistent. The number of these
pages will be kept to a minimum, however, and shouldn't hinder the
overall effort. And of course we realize that different regions will
make different choices as to how much of the main site to translate.
The First Round of Country Portals for Consideration:
* Brazil br.opensolaris.org
* China cn.opensolaris.org
* Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
* France fr.opensolaris.org
* Germany de.opensolaris.org
* Italy it.opensolaris.org
* Japan jp.opensolaris.org
* Russia ru.opensolaris.org
* Spain es.opensolaris.org
This program will not be rolled out in totality all at one time. It will
grow organically starting with anyone who wants to participate first. In
other words, if we have 10 countries we'd like to start with (such as in
the list above) but people only willing to participate in, say, three of
those countries, then that's fine. Those three can go right along, and
over time others can engage. The reason for this is simple -- we want to
start small and work out any issues that come up, and we don't want any
lack of interest in one region holding back the other regions. Also, we
want to keep centralized management to a minimum and engage community
members as much as possible at the local level. However, we also
encourage each local leader to support the overall goal -- which is to
grow the entire OpenSolaris community and maintain a quality website.
So, if members of this community are interested in participating,
respond to this mail with your questions and ideas. If you are
interesting in doing some translations, let us know. If you are
interested in leading a region, let us know. If you have additional
suggestions or concerns, let us know. We'd like to get a conversation
going to address the issues and get some portals up.
Jim
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Jim Grisanzio, Engineering Community Manager, OpenSolaris
http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ | http://opensolaris.org/os/
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
opensolaris.org
Posted:
Oct 10, 2006 11:22 PM
in response to: jimgris
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Hi Jim,
This is a great initiative. I suggest that we work on starting a
Hindi portal for India also.
Compared to some in the list Opensolaris do have substantial following
in india.
Thanks,
Suresh
Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> Hello, Internationalization & Localization Community.
>
> Below is a proposal that the OpenSolaris team at Sun is implementing
> on opensolaris.org: Language/Country Portals for the OpenSolaris
> Community. We'd like to engage this community in this effort because
> you have expertise and contacts around the world. We welcome your
> suggestions and participation.
>
> Issue:
>
> Presently, OpenSolaris is primarily an American community because:
>
> (1) the project is based in the U.S.,
> (2) it's only about a year old,
> (3) the majority of content is in English, and
> (4) the majority of the participants speak English.
>
> Also, website statistics demonstrate that this trend is not changing
> very much. So, growing the OpenSolaris community into non-English
> regions (in both emerging markets and mature markets) will be
> difficult without the ability to communicate in multiple languages.
> Although the site's lists support multi language conversations, the
> content on the site itself is basically English. While many developers
> know enough English to participate in technical conversations, this
> isn't true for the majority of developers we'd like to reach out to.
> And even many of these English-speaking developers would prefer to
> engage in their own language.
>
> Goal:
>
> To offer the OpenSolaris community the ability to build local
> language/country portals onto opensolaris.org within top level domains
> to increase community participation in non-English speaking regions.
>
> Implementation:
>
> This proposal comes with some freedom and some responsibility:
>
> Each region will have the freedom to translate existing content,
> create original content, and manage their portal pages for their
> community. An opensolairs.org template will be provided so that the
> site's international portals have a common look/feel and a direct tie
> to the main site. This tie is important because the language portals
> will be hosted on opensolaris.org infrastructure, we'd like to
> maintain some consistency among the portals, and website data will be
> collected to demonstrate results.
>
> Also, we'd like for each region to have a leader responsible for
> communicating on website-discuss to develop relationships with the
> website team and to be aware of major content updates, bug fixes, down
> time, etc. Each region can choose a leader and translate and write
> content any way they want, of course. So, if there are 10
> country/language portals, then there will be 10 country/language
> portal leaders managing their portals but also communicating on
> website-discuss to address any issues. Also, although we want to
> encourage flexibility and the creation of local content, we will be
> suggesting that certain pages on the site be translated directly or
> pointed to so that important information about the project remains
> consistent. The number of these pages will be kept to a minimum,
> however, and shouldn't hinder the overall effort. And of course we
> realize that different regions will make different choices as to how
> much of the main site to translate.
>
> The First Round of Country Portals for Consideration:
>
> * Brazil br.opensolaris.org
> * China cn.opensolaris.org
> * Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
> * France fr.opensolaris.org
> * Germany de.opensolaris.org
> * Italy it.opensolaris.org
> * Japan jp.opensolaris.org
> * Russia ru.opensolaris.org
> * Spain es.opensolaris.org
>
> This program will not be rolled out in totality all at one time. It
> will grow organically starting with anyone who wants to participate
> first. In other words, if we have 10 countries we'd like to start with
> (such as in the list above) but people only willing to participate in,
> say, three of those countries, then that's fine. Those three can go
> right along, and over time others can engage. The reason for this is
> simple -- we want to start small and work out any issues that come up,
> and we don't want any lack of interest in one region holding back the
> other regions. Also, we want to keep centralized management to a
> minimum and engage community members as much as possible at the local
> level. However, we also encourage each local leader to support the
> overall goal -- which is to grow the entire OpenSolaris community and
> maintain a quality website.
>
> So, if members of this community are interested in participating,
> respond to this mail with your questions and ideas. If you are
> interesting in doing some translations, let us know. If you are
> interested in leading a region, let us know. If you have additional
> suggestions or concerns, let us know. We'd like to get a conversation
> going to address the issues and get some portals up.
>
> Jim
> --
> Jim Grisanzio, Engineering Community Manager, OpenSolaris
> http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ | http://opensolaris.org/os/
> _______________________________________________
> i18n-discuss mailing list
> i18n-discuss at opensolaris dot org
> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n-discuss
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
opensolaris.org
Posted:
Oct 11, 2006 5:25 PM
in response to: suresh
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Thanks, Suresh. And hello. We surely want to engage developers in India
as much as possible. I'm not at all familiar with India at this point,
so forgive my ignorance: what's the relationship between English and
Hindi? In other words, how common is English vs Hindi in the developer
community? Also what would be the common url for India in this format below?
Thanks,
Jim
Suresh Chandrasekharan wrote On 10/11/06 15:23,:
> Hi Jim,
>
> This is a great initiative. I suggest that we work on starting a
> Hindi portal for India also.
> Compared to some in the list Opensolaris do have substantial following
> in india.
>
> Thanks,
> Suresh
>
> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>
>> Hello, Internationalization & Localization Community.
>>
>> Below is a proposal that the OpenSolaris team at Sun is implementing
>> on opensolaris.org: Language/Country Portals for the OpenSolaris
>> Community. We'd like to engage this community in this effort because
>> you have expertise and contacts around the world. We welcome your
>> suggestions and participation.
>>
>> Issue:
>>
>> Presently, OpenSolaris is primarily an American community because:
>>
>> (1) the project is based in the U.S.,
>> (2) it's only about a year old,
>> (3) the majority of content is in English, and
>> (4) the majority of the participants speak English.
>>
>> Also, website statistics demonstrate that this trend is not changing
>> very much. So, growing the OpenSolaris community into non-English
>> regions (in both emerging markets and mature markets) will be
>> difficult without the ability to communicate in multiple languages.
>> Although the site's lists support multi language conversations, the
>> content on the site itself is basically English. While many developers
>> know enough English to participate in technical conversations, this
>> isn't true for the majority of developers we'd like to reach out to.
>> And even many of these English-speaking developers would prefer to
>> engage in their own language.
>>
>> Goal:
>>
>> To offer the OpenSolaris community the ability to build local
>> language/country portals onto opensolaris.org within top level domains
>> to increase community participation in non-English speaking regions.
>>
>> Implementation:
>>
>> This proposal comes with some freedom and some responsibility:
>>
>> Each region will have the freedom to translate existing content,
>> create original content, and manage their portal pages for their
>> community. An opensolairs.org template will be provided so that the
>> site's international portals have a common look/feel and a direct tie
>> to the main site. This tie is important because the language portals
>> will be hosted on opensolaris.org infrastructure, we'd like to
>> maintain some consistency among the portals, and website data will be
>> collected to demonstrate results.
>>
>> Also, we'd like for each region to have a leader responsible for
>> communicating on website-discuss to develop relationships with the
>> website team and to be aware of major content updates, bug fixes, down
>> time, etc. Each region can choose a leader and translate and write
>> content any way they want, of course. So, if there are 10
>> country/language portals, then there will be 10 country/language
>> portal leaders managing their portals but also communicating on
>> website-discuss to address any issues. Also, although we want to
>> encourage flexibility and the creation of local content, we will be
>> suggesting that certain pages on the site be translated directly or
>> pointed to so that important information about the project remains
>> consistent. The number of these pages will be kept to a minimum,
>> however, and shouldn't hinder the overall effort. And of course we
>> realize that different regions will make different choices as to how
>> much of the main site to translate.
>>
>> The First Round of Country Portals for Consideration:
>>
>> * Brazil br.opensolaris.org
>> * China cn.opensolaris.org
>> * Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
>> * France fr.opensolaris.org
>> * Germany de.opensolaris.org
>> * Italy it.opensolaris.org
>> * Japan jp.opensolaris.org
>> * Russia ru.opensolaris.org
>> * Spain es.opensolaris.org
>>
>> This program will not be rolled out in totality all at one time. It
>> will grow organically starting with anyone who wants to participate
>> first. In other words, if we have 10 countries we'd like to start with
>> (such as in the list above) but people only willing to participate in,
>> say, three of those countries, then that's fine. Those three can go
>> right along, and over time others can engage. The reason for this is
>> simple -- we want to start small and work out any issues that come up,
>> and we don't want any lack of interest in one region holding back the
>> other regions. Also, we want to keep centralized management to a
>> minimum and engage community members as much as possible at the local
>> level. However, we also encourage each local leader to support the
>> overall goal -- which is to grow the entire OpenSolaris community and
>> maintain a quality website.
>>
>> So, if members of this community are interested in participating,
>> respond to this mail with your questions and ideas. If you are
>> interesting in doing some translations, let us know. If you are
>> interested in leading a region, let us know. If you have additional
>> suggestions or concerns, let us know. We'd like to get a conversation
>> going to address the issues and get some portals up.
>>
>> Jim
>> --
>> Jim Grisanzio, Engineering Community Manager, OpenSolaris
>> http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ | http://opensolaris.org/os/
>> _______________________________________________
>> i18n-discuss mailing list
>> i18n-discuss at opensolaris dot org
>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n-discuss
>
>
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
opensolaris.org
Posted:
Oct 11, 2006 7:03 PM
in response to: jimgris
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Hi Jim,
In India there are 22 regional languages and Hindi is national
language, English is predominantly
used for official purposes, and many people are familiar with English
due to education system. We
can safely assume than more than 95% of programmers will be have
reading/writing skills in English.
Hindi is spoken by more than 300million or so people out of 1billion
population and English is used as a second
language by around 200million people. Though developer community is
mostly familiar with English, native
language of around 25% of population being Hindi , people will be more
comfortable with that language.
With the localized developer portal we are more targetting bilingual
people who may be able to contribute
trnaslations etc. So having a Hindi portal will be good.
http://in.opensolaris.org can be used as URL. In future we have
additional language selection options other than
Hindi.
Regards,
Suresh
Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> Thanks, Suresh. And hello. We surely want to engage developers in
> India as much as possible. I'm not at all familiar with India at this
> point, so forgive my ignorance: what's the relationship between
> English and Hindi? In other words, how common is English vs Hindi in
> the developer community? Also what would be the common url for India
> in this format below?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
>
>
> Suresh Chandrasekharan wrote On 10/11/06 15:23,:
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> This is a great initiative. I suggest that we work on starting a
>> Hindi portal for India also.
>> Compared to some in the list Opensolaris do have substantial
>> following in india.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Suresh
>>
>> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, Internationalization & Localization Community.
>>>
>>> Below is a proposal that the OpenSolaris team at Sun is implementing
>>> on opensolaris.org: Language/Country Portals for the OpenSolaris
>>> Community. We'd like to engage this community in this effort because
>>> you have expertise and contacts around the world. We welcome your
>>> suggestions and participation.
>>>
>>> Issue:
>>>
>>> Presently, OpenSolaris is primarily an American community because:
>>>
>>> (1) the project is based in the U.S.,
>>> (2) it's only about a year old,
>>> (3) the majority of content is in English, and
>>> (4) the majority of the participants speak English.
>>>
>>> Also, website statistics demonstrate that this trend is not changing
>>> very much. So, growing the OpenSolaris community into non-English
>>> regions (in both emerging markets and mature markets) will be
>>> difficult without the ability to communicate in multiple languages.
>>> Although the site's lists support multi language conversations, the
>>> content on the site itself is basically English. While many
>>> developers know enough English to participate in technical
>>> conversations, this isn't true for the majority of developers we'd
>>> like to reach out to. And even many of these English-speaking
>>> developers would prefer to engage in their own language.
>>>
>>> Goal:
>>>
>>> To offer the OpenSolaris community the ability to build local
>>> language/country portals onto opensolaris.org within top level
>>> domains to increase community participation in non-English speaking
>>> regions.
>>>
>>> Implementation:
>>>
>>> This proposal comes with some freedom and some responsibility:
>>>
>>> Each region will have the freedom to translate existing content,
>>> create original content, and manage their portal pages for their
>>> community. An opensolairs.org template will be provided so that the
>>> site's international portals have a common look/feel and a direct
>>> tie to the main site. This tie is important because the language
>>> portals will be hosted on opensolaris.org infrastructure, we'd like
>>> to maintain some consistency among the portals, and website data
>>> will be collected to demonstrate results.
>>>
>>> Also, we'd like for each region to have a leader responsible for
>>> communicating on website-discuss to develop relationships with the
>>> website team and to be aware of major content updates, bug fixes,
>>> down time, etc. Each region can choose a leader and translate and
>>> write content any way they want, of course. So, if there are 10
>>> country/language portals, then there will be 10 country/language
>>> portal leaders managing their portals but also communicating on
>>> website-discuss to address any issues. Also, although we want to
>>> encourage flexibility and the creation of local content, we will be
>>> suggesting that certain pages on the site be translated directly or
>>> pointed to so that important information about the project remains
>>> consistent. The number of these pages will be kept to a minimum,
>>> however, and shouldn't hinder the overall effort. And of course we
>>> realize that different regions will make different choices as to how
>>> much of the main site to translate.
>>>
>>> The First Round of Country Portals for Consideration:
>>>
>>> * Brazil br.opensolaris.org
>>> * China cn.opensolaris.org
>>> * Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
>>> * France fr.opensolaris.org
>>> * Germany de.opensolaris.org
>>> * Italy it.opensolaris.org
>>> * Japan jp.opensolaris.org
>>> * Russia ru.opensolaris.org
>>> * Spain es.opensolaris.org
>>>
>>> This program will not be rolled out in totality all at one time. It
>>> will grow organically starting with anyone who wants to participate
>>> first. In other words, if we have 10 countries we'd like to start
>>> with (such as in the list above) but people only willing to
>>> participate in, say, three of those countries, then that's fine.
>>> Those three can go right along, and over time others can engage. The
>>> reason for this is simple -- we want to start small and work out any
>>> issues that come up, and we don't want any lack of interest in one
>>> region holding back the other regions. Also, we want to keep
>>> centralized management to a minimum and engage community members as
>>> much as possible at the local level. However, we also encourage each
>>> local leader to support the overall goal -- which is to grow the
>>> entire OpenSolaris community and maintain a quality website.
>>>
>>> So, if members of this community are interested in participating,
>>> respond to this mail with your questions and ideas. If you are
>>> interesting in doing some translations, let us know. If you are
>>> interested in leading a region, let us know. If you have additional
>>> suggestions or concerns, let us know. We'd like to get a
>>> conversation going to address the issues and get some portals up.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> --
>>> Jim Grisanzio, Engineering Community Manager, OpenSolaris
>>> http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ | http://opensolaris.org/os/
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> i18n-discuss mailing list
>>> i18n-discuss at opensolaris dot org
>>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n-discuss
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
opensolaris.org
Posted:
Oct 12, 2006 3:56 AM
in response to: suresh
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Thanks for this background. It's helpful to me since I plan to get very
involved in this issue. I'm living it, basically, as I learn Japanese.
Suresh Chandrasekharan wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> In India there are 22 regional languages and Hindi is national
> language, English is predominantly
> used for official purposes, and many people are familiar with English
> due to education system. We
> can safely assume than more than 95% of programmers will be have
> reading/writing skills in English.
Wow. So different from other parts of Asia. But that's good news. So,
there really isn't a major language barrier, then, right? However, do
developers prefer to speak in Hindi? Or is English considered perfectly
fine to use for communication for development projects?
I just listened to this talk about India and China:
http://www.itconversations.com/shows/detail1035.html
Very interesting. Ramadorai said that English in India is very good and
helps the country compete with respect to China, where English is not as
pervasive.
> Hindi is spoken by more than 300million or so people out of 1billion
> population and English is used as a second
> language by around 200million people. Though developer community is
> mostly familiar with English, native
> language of around 25% of population being Hindi , people will be more
> comfortable with that language.
Ok, so we'd need to communicate in Hindi for this 25% or so. Would the
other 75% also engage here on the Hindi portal, or would they just go to
the English site since they are better at English? In other words, if
the portal were provided, would they go there instead? I'm just trying
to make it as easy for people to engage as possible and understand who
needs the portals to get involved.
> With the localized developer portal we are more targetting bilingual
> people who may be able to contribute
> trnaslations etc. So having a Hindi portal will be good.
Excellent. I'd like for us to offer this.
> http://in.opensolaris.org can be used as URL. In future we have
> additional language selection options other than
> Hindi.
Ok. Very good.
Jim
> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Suresh. And hello. We surely want to engage developers in
>> India as much as possible. I'm not at all familiar with India at this
>> point, so forgive my ignorance: what's the relationship between
>> English and Hindi? In other words, how common is English vs Hindi in
>> the developer community? Also what would be the common url for India
>> in this format below?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> Suresh Chandrasekharan wrote On 10/11/06 15:23,:
>>
>>> Hi Jim,
>>>
>>> This is a great initiative. I suggest that we work on starting a
>>> Hindi portal for India also.
>>> Compared to some in the list Opensolaris do have substantial
>>> following in india.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Suresh
>>>
>>> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello, Internationalization & Localization Community.
>>>>
>>>> Below is a proposal that the OpenSolaris team at Sun is implementing
>>>> on opensolaris.org: Language/Country Portals for the OpenSolaris
>>>> Community. We'd like to engage this community in this effort because
>>>> you have expertise and contacts around the world. We welcome your
>>>> suggestions and participation.
>>>>
>>>> Issue:
>>>>
>>>> Presently, OpenSolaris is primarily an American community because:
>>>>
>>>> (1) the project is based in the U.S.,
>>>> (2) it's only about a year old,
>>>> (3) the majority of content is in English, and
>>>> (4) the majority of the participants speak English.
>>>>
>>>> Also, website statistics demonstrate that this trend is not changing
>>>> very much. So, growing the OpenSolaris community into non-English
>>>> regions (in both emerging markets and mature markets) will be
>>>> difficult without the ability to communicate in multiple languages.
>>>> Although the site's lists support multi language conversations, the
>>>> content on the site itself is basically English. While many
>>>> developers know enough English to participate in technical
>>>> conversations, this isn't true for the majority of developers we'd
>>>> like to reach out to. And even many of these English-speaking
>>>> developers would prefer to engage in their own language.
>>>>
>>>> Goal:
>>>>
>>>> To offer the OpenSolaris community the ability to build local
>>>> language/country portals onto opensolaris.org within top level
>>>> domains to increase community participation in non-English speaking
>>>> regions.
>>>>
>>>> Implementation:
>>>>
>>>> This proposal comes with some freedom and some responsibility:
>>>>
>>>> Each region will have the freedom to translate existing content,
>>>> create original content, and manage their portal pages for their
>>>> community. An opensolairs.org template will be provided so that the
>>>> site's international portals have a common look/feel and a direct
>>>> tie to the main site. This tie is important because the language
>>>> portals will be hosted on opensolaris.org infrastructure, we'd like
>>>> to maintain some consistency among the portals, and website data
>>>> will be collected to demonstrate results.
>>>>
>>>> Also, we'd like for each region to have a leader responsible for
>>>> communicating on website-discuss to develop relationships with the
>>>> website team and to be aware of major content updates, bug fixes,
>>>> down time, etc. Each region can choose a leader and translate and
>>>> write content any way they want, of course. So, if there are 10
>>>> country/language portals, then there will be 10 country/language
>>>> portal leaders managing their portals but also communicating on
>>>> website-discuss to address any issues. Also, although we want to
>>>> encourage flexibility and the creation of local content, we will be
>>>> suggesting that certain pages on the site be translated directly or
>>>> pointed to so that important information about the project remains
>>>> consistent. The number of these pages will be kept to a minimum,
>>>> however, and shouldn't hinder the overall effort. And of course we
>>>> realize that different regions will make different choices as to how
>>>> much of the main site to translate.
>>>>
>>>> The First Round of Country Portals for Consideration:
>>>>
>>>> * Brazil br.opensolaris.org
>>>> * China cn.opensolaris.org
>>>> * Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
>>>> * France fr.opensolaris.org
>>>> * Germany de.opensolaris.org
>>>> * Italy it.opensolaris.org
>>>> * Japan jp.opensolaris.org
>>>> * Russia ru.opensolaris.org
>>>> * Spain es.opensolaris.org
>>>>
>>>> This program will not be rolled out in totality all at one time. It
>>>> will grow organically starting with anyone who wants to participate
>>>> first. In other words, if we have 10 countries we'd like to start
>>>> with (such as in the list above) but people only willing to
>>>> participate in, say, three of those countries, then that's fine.
>>>> Those three can go right along, and over time others can engage. The
>>>> reason for this is simple -- we want to start small and work out any
>>>> issues that come up, and we don't want any lack of interest in one
>>>> region holding back the other regions. Also, we want to keep
>>>> centralized management to a minimum and engage community members as
>>>> much as possible at the local level. However, we also encourage each
>>>> local leader to support the overall goal -- which is to grow the
>>>> entire OpenSolaris community and maintain a quality website.
>>>>
>>>> So, if members of this community are interested in participating,
>>>> respond to this mail with your questions and ideas. If you are
>>>> interesting in doing some translations, let us know. If you are
>>>> interested in leading a region, let us know. If you have additional
>>>> suggestions or concerns, let us know. We'd like to get a
>>>> conversation going to address the issues and get some portals up.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>> --
>>>> Jim Grisanzio, Engineering Community Manager, OpenSolaris
>>>> http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ | http://opensolaris.org/os/
>>>> _______________________________________________
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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Hi Jim,
Great to know your interest here. Since we are thinking to have have
a country based portal system
for India, Hindi can be a starter and later we can offer additional
language options depending upon user
requests and interests.
Though due to education system many developers do have English
read/write skills, not sure how many will
be using English as a primary communication language, this percentage
will be much smaller, though
I don't want to assign any numbers there.
It's my personal thinking that providing a localized portal is a way to
show a sort of active interest for a
country and it's market and respect it's people. It gives OpenSolaris a
local feel as people will be more
comfortable with their native language than a second language. It's a
way to show that we care. Again
this is my personal opinion.
Regards,
Suresh
Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> Thanks for this background. It's helpful to me since I plan to get
> very involved in this issue. I'm living it, basically, as I learn
> Japanese.
>
> Suresh Chandrasekharan wrote:
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> In India there are 22 regional languages and Hindi is national
>> language, English is predominantly
>> used for official purposes, and many people are familiar with English
>> due to education system. We
>> can safely assume than more than 95% of programmers will be have
>> reading/writing skills in English.
>
>
> Wow. So different from other parts of Asia. But that's good news. So,
> there really isn't a major language barrier, then, right? However, do
> developers prefer to speak in Hindi? Or is English considered
> perfectly fine to use for communication for development projects?
>
> I just listened to this talk about India and China:
> http://www.itconversations.com/shows/detail1035.html
> Very interesting. Ramadorai said that English in India is very good
> and helps the country compete with respect to China, where English is
> not as pervasive.
>
>
>> Hindi is spoken by more than 300million or so people out of 1billion
>> population and English is used as a second
>> language by around 200million people. Though developer community is
>> mostly familiar with English, native
>> language of around 25% of population being Hindi , people will be
>> more comfortable with that language.
>
>
> Ok, so we'd need to communicate in Hindi for this 25% or so. Would the
> other 75% also engage here on the Hindi portal, or would they just go
> to the English site since they are better at English? In other words,
> if the portal were provided, would they go there instead? I'm just
> trying to make it as easy for people to engage as possible and
> understand who needs the portals to get involved.
>
>
>> With the localized developer portal we are more targetting bilingual
>> people who may be able to contribute
>> trnaslations etc. So having a Hindi portal will be good.
>
> Excellent. I'd like for us to offer this.
>
>
>> http://in.opensolaris.org can be used as URL. In future we have
>> additional language selection options other than
>> Hindi.
>
>
> Ok. Very good.
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Suresh. And hello. We surely want to engage developers in
>>> India as much as possible. I'm not at all familiar with India at
>>> this point, so forgive my ignorance: what's the relationship between
>>> English and Hindi? In other words, how common is English vs Hindi in
>>> the developer community? Also what would be the common url for India
>>> in this format below?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> Suresh Chandrasekharan wrote On 10/11/06 15:23,:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>
>>>> This is a great initiative. I suggest that we work on starting
>>>> a Hindi portal for India also.
>>>> Compared to some in the list Opensolaris do have substantial
>>>> following in india.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Suresh
>>>>
>>>> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello, Internationalization & Localization Community.
>>>>>
>>>>> Below is a proposal that the OpenSolaris team at Sun is
>>>>> implementing on opensolaris.org: Language/Country Portals for the
>>>>> OpenSolaris Community. We'd like to engage this community in this
>>>>> effort because you have expertise and contacts around the world.
>>>>> We welcome your suggestions and participation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Issue:
>>>>>
>>>>> Presently, OpenSolaris is primarily an American community because:
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) the project is based in the U.S.,
>>>>> (2) it's only about a year old,
>>>>> (3) the majority of content is in English, and
>>>>> (4) the majority of the participants speak English.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, website statistics demonstrate that this trend is not
>>>>> changing very much. So, growing the OpenSolaris community into
>>>>> non-English regions (in both emerging markets and mature markets)
>>>>> will be difficult without the ability to communicate in multiple
>>>>> languages. Although the site's lists support multi language
>>>>> conversations, the content on the site itself is basically
>>>>> English. While many developers know enough English to participate
>>>>> in technical conversations, this isn't true for the majority of
>>>>> developers we'd like to reach out to. And even many of these
>>>>> English-speaking developers would prefer to engage in their own
>>>>> language.
>>>>>
>>>>> Goal:
>>>>>
>>>>> To offer the OpenSolaris community the ability to build local
>>>>> language/country portals onto opensolaris.org within top level
>>>>> domains to increase community participation in non-English
>>>>> speaking regions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Implementation:
>>>>>
>>>>> This proposal comes with some freedom and some responsibility:
>>>>>
>>>>> Each region will have the freedom to translate existing content,
>>>>> create original content, and manage their portal pages for their
>>>>> community. An opensolairs.org template will be provided so that
>>>>> the site's international portals have a common look/feel and a
>>>>> direct tie to the main site. This tie is important because the
>>>>> language portals will be hosted on opensolaris.org infrastructure,
>>>>> we'd like to maintain some consistency among the portals, and
>>>>> website data will be collected to demonstrate results.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, we'd like for each region to have a leader responsible for
>>>>> communicating on website-discuss to develop relationships with the
>>>>> website team and to be aware of major content updates, bug fixes,
>>>>> down time, etc. Each region can choose a leader and translate and
>>>>> write content any way they want, of course. So, if there are 10
>>>>> country/language portals, then there will be 10 country/language
>>>>> portal leaders managing their portals but also communicating on
>>>>> website-discuss to address any issues. Also, although we want to
>>>>> encourage flexibility and the creation of local content, we will
>>>>> be suggesting that certain pages on the site be translated
>>>>> directly or pointed to so that important information about the
>>>>> project remains consistent. The number of these pages will be kept
>>>>> to a minimum, however, and shouldn't hinder the overall effort.
>>>>> And of course we realize that different regions will make
>>>>> different choices as to how much of the main site to translate.
>>>>>
>>>>> The First Round of Country Portals for Consideration:
>>>>>
>>>>> * Brazil br.opensolaris.org
>>>>> * China cn.opensolaris.org
>>>>> * Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
>>>>> * France fr.opensolaris.org
>>>>> * Germany de.opensolaris.org
>>>>> * Italy it.opensolaris.org
>>>>> * Japan jp.opensolaris.org
>>>>> * Russia ru.opensolaris.org
>>>>> * Spain es.opensolaris.org
>>>>>
>>>>> This program will not be rolled out in totality all at one time.
>>>>> It will grow organically starting with anyone who wants to
>>>>> participate first. In other words, if we have 10 countries we'd
>>>>> like to start with (such as in the list above) but people only
>>>>> willing to participate in, say, three of those countries, then
>>>>> that's fine. Those three can go right along, and over time others
>>>>> can engage. The reason for this is simple -- we want to start
>>>>> small and work out any issues that come up, and we don't want any
>>>>> lack of interest in one region holding back the other regions.
>>>>> Also, we want to keep centralized management to a minimum and
>>>>> engage community members as much as possible at the local level.
>>>>> However, we also encourage each local leader to support the
>>>>> overall goal -- which is to grow the entire OpenSolaris community
>>>>> and maintain a quality website.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, if members of this community are interested in participating,
>>>>> respond to this mail with your questions and ideas. If you are
>>>>> interesting in doing some translations, let us know. If you are
>>>>> interested in leading a region, let us know. If you have
>>>>> additional suggestions or concerns, let us know. We'd like to get
>>>>> a conversation going to address the issues and get some portals up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jim Grisanzio, Engineering Community Manager, OpenSolaris
>>>>> http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ | http://opensolaris.org/os/
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> i18n-discuss mailing list
>>>>> i18n-discuss at opensolaris dot org
>>>>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n-discuss
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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Hi Jim,
The idea you explained sounds good, and I'd also love to see OS.o better
known to non-English speaking countries and regions. I suppose
br.opensolaris.org could look very much like opensolaris.org homepage in
terms of look and feel, except that it's in Brazilian Portuguese, like
our sun.com websites are world-wide?
The question that immediately came to my mind was how these portal sites
are/will be different from the websites each of the language communities
currently has within the I18n community. We have communities initiated
(though not very active at this time) for all languages other than Dutch
and Russian from your proposed languages list (and more). These
communities have their websites and those websites are potential places
to have links to translated articles and websites of OS.o. I suggested a
few such examples for existing Korean translation a few days ago. There
were quite a few articles on OS.o translated into Korean and available
on Developer Network site.
regards,
Young
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
opensolaris.org
Posted:
Oct 11, 2006 4:57 PM
in response to: yjsong
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Which is better, country-based, or language-based ?
That is my question.
In terms of internationalization and localization, I prefer
language-based from country-based, which means
ja.OpenSolaris.org rather than jp...
thanks in advance,
Takaaki Higuchi
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
opensolaris.org
Posted:
Oct 11, 2006 6:23 PM
in response to: yjsong
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Young Joo Pintaske wrote On 10/12/06 03:08,:
> Hi Jim,
>
> The idea you explained sounds good, and I'd also love to see OS.o better
> known to non-English speaking countries and regions. I suppose
> br.opensolaris.org could look very much like opensolaris.org homepage in
> terms of look and feel, except that it's in Brazilian Portuguese, like
> our sun.com websites are world-wide?
>
> The question that immediately came to my mind was how these portal sites
> are/will be different from the websites each of the language communities
> currently has within the I18n community. We have communities initiated
> (though not very active at this time) for all languages other than Dutch
> and Russian from your proposed languages list (and more). These
> communities have their websites and those websites are potential places
> to have links to translated articles and websites of OS.o. I suggested a
> few such examples for existing Korean translation a few days ago. There
> were quite a few articles on OS.o translated into Korean and available
> on Developer Network site.
Hi, Young.
Well, what I'm talking about is basically translating the entire site
itself -- or as much of the site as any specific region wants to -- in
it's current look/feel.
So, when developers in, say, Japan go to opensolaris.org, they will
naturally choose to go to jp.opensolairs.org as their first access into
the OpenSolaris community. Or if they do actually go to the America
site, they can easily find a Japanese flag or something and click on it
to access the Japanese translation portal. That first experience with
OpenSolaris needs to be in their own language. As they dig more deeply
into the site, they'll probably hit some English along the way, but at
least the Japanese will guide them to what's the most important
information for Japanese developers. It's basically the same concept as
jp.sun.com -- same look/feel as sun.com, lots of content translated from
the main site, lots of local content added specific only to the Japanese
market, and then pointers to English content that is not translated for
whatever reason.
Also, I've spoken with some NetBeans developers here and they said that
the Japanese portal on netbeans.org that they implemented at the last
JavaOne has been very successful for community building here.
If your community has already translated articles and other content,
that's great. I think that only helps the site's international appeal.
Your community can decide where that content lives, of course, but the
translation and localization of the site itself works well within its
own, top-level domain because that's where those developers will
naturally look. In general, the more languages we can offer the better.
Now having said all that, I don't think all regions will need to do this
or even want to do this. But many will, and so we are offering it to
all. I'm most concerned with the regions that have language is a major
barrier to entry.
I recently visited some big Solaris customers here in Japan to meet
their engineers and to hopefully get them more involved in OpenSolaris.
In my slides I have a screen shot of the front page of the site. It's in
English. It makes no sense. Why make it hard for these guys? Same
situation in China. Same in Korea. Same wherever else. And same in every
market within every region. I'd love to be able to meet with government
representatives and university professors and show a site in their own
language. It's critical to even initiating a conversation. Things will
move much faster if we can offer this feature. I can see some regions
just translating a few pages to give a convenient access point, and
that's fine. A I can see some other regions translating a massive amount
of content and writing a lot of original local content. That decision
will be locally managed.
Early on in the project, we had calls to make the site fully
international right out of the box. For technical and resource reasons,
we couldn't accommodate that request. However, the community has grown
and diversified, and the project is much more mature and structured. So,
we'd like to start this site internationalization process, but make it a
community effort from the beginning.
Hope that helps. :)
Jim
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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Posted:
Oct 11, 2006 11:42 PM
in response to: jimgris
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Hi Jim,
This is Jay from Korea and I'd like to say we need a portal for Korean.
Many Korean guys have difficulty in understanding English even though
they want to join this community.
Probably I can help this project. I've been translating doucments and I got
10+ documents translated into Korean so far. I talked to YoungJoo about
Korean documents and she suggested that it would be better to link those
documents at respective pages that I picked to translate, but if we have
a Korean portal, guys who are not familiar with English might get much more
better accesibility, and hopefully OpenSolaris community in Korea which have
no buzz so far :( would have chance to grow up.
Regards,
Jay
On 10/12/06, Jim Grisanzio <Jim dot Grisanzio at sun dot com> wrote:
Young Joo Pintaske wrote On 10/12/06 03:08,:
> Hi Jim,
>
> The idea you explained sounds good, and I'd also love to see
OS.o better
> known to non-English speaking countries and regions. I suppose
> br.opensolaris.org could look very much like opensolaris.org
homepage in
> terms of look and feel, except that it's in Brazilian Portuguese, like
> our sun.com websites are world-wide?
>
> The question that immediately came to my mind was how these portal sites
> are/will be different from the websites each of the language communities
> currently has within the I18n community. We have communities initiated
> (though not very active at this time) for all languages other than Dutch
> and Russian from your proposed languages list (and more). These
> communities have their websites and those websites are potential places
> to have links to translated articles and websites of OS.o. I suggested a
> few such examples for existing Korean translation a few days ago. There
> were quite a few articles on OS.o translated into Korean and available
> on Developer Network site.
Hi, Young.
Well, what I'm talking about is basically translating the entire site
itself -- or as much of the site as any specific region wants to -- in
it's current look/feel.
So, when developers in, say, Japan go to
opensolaris.org, they will
naturally choose to go to jp.opensolairs.org as their first access into
the OpenSolaris community. Or if they do actually go to the America
site, they can easily find a Japanese flag or something and click on it
to access the Japanese translation portal. That first experience with
OpenSolaris needs to be in their own language. As they dig more deeply
into the site, they'll probably hit some English along the way, but at
least the Japanese will guide them to what's the most important
information for Japanese developers. It's basically the same concept as
jp.sun.com -- same look/feel as
sun.com, lots of content translated from
the main site, lots of local content added specific only to the Japanese
market, and then pointers to English content that is not translated for
whatever reason.
Also, I've spoken with some NetBeans developers here and they said that
the Japanese portal on netbeans.org that they implemented at the last
JavaOne has been very successful for community building here.
If your community has already translated articles and other content,
that's great. I think that only helps the site's international appeal.
Your community can decide where that content lives, of course, but the
translation and localization of the site itself works well within its
own, top-level domain because that's where those developers will
naturally look. In general, the more languages we can offer the better.
Now having said all that, I don't think all regions will need to do this
or even want to do this. But many will, and so we are offering it to
all. I'm most concerned with the regions that have language is a major
barrier to entry.
I recently visited some big Solaris customers here in Japan to meet
their engineers and to hopefully get them more involved in OpenSolaris.
In my slides I have a screen shot of the front page of the site. It's in
English. It makes no sense. Why make it hard for these guys? Same
situation in China. Same in Korea. Same wherever else. And same in every
market within every region. I'd love to be able to meet with government
representatives and university professors and show a site in their own
language. It's critical to even initiating a conversation. Things will
move much faster if we can offer this feature. I can see some regions
just translating a few pages to give a convenient access point, and
that's fine. A I can see some other regions translating a massive amount
of content and writing a lot of original local content. That decision
will be locally managed.
Early on in the project, we had calls to make the site fully
international right out of the box. For technical and resource reasons,
we couldn't accommodate that request. However, the community has grown
and diversified, and the project is much more mature and structured. So,
we'd like to start this site internationalization process, but make it a
community effort from the beginning.
Hope that helps. :)
Jim
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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Hi, Jay.
Cool. I think a Korean portal would be great. I've heard that the
language situation there is a pretty big barrier, so I'm happy we can
help. You guys also need a user group, too, which I'm happy to help set
up in the user group community with a page and a mail list:
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/osug-leaders/
I'll be in Korea in a few weeks for Sun's Tech Days conference. There
will be a lot of Solaris and OpenSolaris sessions:
http://kr.sun.com/developers/techdays/ Perhaps we can meet at the
conference?
It's excellent that you have translated more than 10 docs. When we get
the portal templates, you guys can decide where to put your docs or just
offer some links to where they are now. It'll be up to you.
So, I'm glad you'll be involved. :)
Jim
eggboy wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> This is Jay from Korea and I'd like to say we need a portal for Korean.
> Many Korean guys have difficulty in understanding English even though
> they want to join this community.
>
> Probably I can help this project. I've been translating doucments and
> I got
> 10+ documents translated into Korean so far. I talked to YoungJoo about
> Korean documents and she suggested that it would be better to link those
> documents at respective pages that I picked to translate, but if we have
> a Korean portal, guys who are not familiar with English might get much more
> better accesibility, and hopefully OpenSolaris community in Korea which
> have
> no buzz so far :( would have chance to grow up.
>
> Regards,
> Jay
>
>
> On 10/12/06, *Jim Grisanzio* <Jim dot Grisanzio at sun dot com
> <mailto:Jim dot Grisanzio at sun dot com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Young Joo Pintaske wrote On 10/12/06 03:08,:
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > The idea you explained sounds good, and I'd also love to see OS.o
> better
> > known to non-English speaking countries and regions. I suppose
> > br.opensolaris.org <http:// could look very
> much like opensolaris.org <http:// homepage in
> > terms of look and feel, except that it's in Brazilian Portuguese,
> like
> > our sun.com <http:// websites are world-wide?
> >
> > The question that immediately came to my mind was how these
> portal sites
> > are/will be different from the websites each of the language
> communities
> > currently has within the I18n community. We have communities
> initiated
> > (though not very active at this time) for all languages other
> than Dutch
> > and Russian from your proposed languages list (and more). These
> > communities have their websites and those websites are potential
> places
> > to have links to translated articles and websites of OS.o. I
> suggested a
> > few such examples for existing Korean translation a few days ago.
> There
> > were quite a few articles on OS.o translated into Korean and
> available
> > on Developer Network site.
>
>
> Hi, Young.
>
> Well, what I'm talking about is basically translating the entire site
> itself -- or as much of the site as any specific region wants to -- in
> it's current look/feel.
>
> So, when developers in, say, Japan go to opensolaris.org
> <http://, they will
> naturally choose to go to jp.opensolairs.org
> <http:// as their first access into
> the OpenSolaris community. Or if they do actually go to the America
> site, they can easily find a Japanese flag or something and click on it
> to access the Japanese translation portal. That first experience with
> OpenSolaris needs to be in their own language. As they dig more deeply
> into the site, they'll probably hit some English along the way, but at
> least the Japanese will guide them to what's the most important
> information for Japanese developers. It's basically the same concept as
> jp.sun.com <http:// -- same look/feel as sun.com
> <http://, lots of content translated from
> the main site, lots of local content added specific only to the Japanese
> market, and then pointers to English content that is not translated for
> whatever reason.
>
> Also, I've spoken with some NetBeans developers here and they said that
> the Japanese portal on netbeans.org <http:// that they
> implemented at the last
> JavaOne has been very successful for community building here.
>
> If your community has already translated articles and other content,
> that's great. I think that only helps the site's international appeal.
> Your community can decide where that content lives, of course, but the
> translation and localization of the site itself works well within its
> own, top-level domain because that's where those developers will
> naturally look. In general, the more languages we can offer the better.
> Now having said all that, I don't think all regions will need to do
> this
> or even want to do this. But many will, and so we are offering it to
> all. I'm most concerned with the regions that have language is a major
> barrier to entry.
>
> I recently visited some big Solaris customers here in Japan to meet
> their engineers and to hopefully get them more involved in OpenSolaris.
> In my slides I have a screen shot of the front page of the site. It's in
> English. It makes no sense. Why make it hard for these guys? Same
> situation in China. Same in Korea. Same wherever else. And same in every
> market within every region. I'd love to be able to meet with government
> representatives and university professors and show a site in their own
> language. It's critical to even initiating a conversation. Things will
> move much faster if we can offer this feature. I can see some regions
> just translating a few pages to give a convenient access point, and
> that's fine. A I can see some other regions translating a massive amount
> of content and writing a lot of original local content. That decision
> will be locally managed.
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> Early on in the project, we had calls to make the site fully
> international right out of the box. For technical and resource reasons,
> we couldn't accommodate that request. However, the community has grown
> and diversified, and the project is much more mature and structured.
> So,
> we'd like to start this site internationalization process, but make it a
> community effort from the beginning.
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> Hope that helps. :)
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Hi Jim,
I have no objection to the idea of making OS.o sites in as many
languages as possible. As Jay, Suresh, and others responded, I also
support the idea, and these sites can be very powerful to outreach to
the global community. I just wanted to point out that there are other
sites available that have potentially overlapping content/functions. How
will these two sites (if they are for the same language) compliment each
other? Should we consider having 1 site per language from the start?
Where will the content of various languages reside? These implementation
related questions come to my mind. You touched on some of these points
in your response.
On this, I've copied Michael Monaghan in my team. He's done a lot of web
designing and engineering and would like him to be aware of this discussion.
Last but not least, will there be a vote on this proposal at some point?
How does a proposal get into an actual task (Is it at least 1 community
vote)?
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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Michael,
I said I copied you, but forgot to indeed. Could you pay attention to
the following mailing thread?
http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=15327&tstart=0
I mentioned to you when you were in CA. Jim (OS.o community manager) is
proposing we create language portal sites (kr.opensolaris.org or
ko.opensolaris.org, de.opensolaris.org, etc.). I guess a lot of details
should be worked out to bring this idea to implementation. Could you help?
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Young Joo Pintaske wrote On 10/13/06 02:14,:
> Hi Jim,
>
> I have no objection to the idea of making OS.o sites in as many
> languages as possible. As Jay, Suresh, and others responded, I also
> support the idea, and these sites can be very powerful to outreach to
> the global community. I just wanted to point out that there are other
> sites available that have potentially overlapping content/functions. How
> will these two sites (if they are for the same language) compliment each
> other? Should we consider having 1 site per language from the start?
> Where will the content of various languages reside? These implementation
> related questions come to my mind. You touched on some of these points
> in your response.
Hi ...
I'm not sure I see an overlap, to be honest. Send me some examples of
what you mean because I think we are missing each other on this.
If various bits of content have been translated already and that content
lives somewhere on opensolaris.org, that's great. It can stay where it
is now, it can migrate to the portal address space, or the portal pages
can simply point to that pre-existing content. I think that will be a
decision for whoever is interested in having a portal. The portal pages
don't replace anything, per say, they simply provide a top level domain
space from which the entire site can be translated in to whatever
language by whoever is interested in participating. So, a translation of
the front page, the projects page, the communities page, the FAQs, the
contributing page, etc, plus any original content that may be added for
a given market or community. Are you saying that all of this work has
been done outside opensolaris.org? If so, that's fine, too. Then those
regions may not be interested in having their translated content hosted
on an opensolaris.org domain. I'm fine either way. I just want to offer
the opportunity for a region to quite literally translate as much of the
site as they want to within a domain space that would help engage
developers.
The reason I posted the proposal to this community is because I felt
that this community would be the best place to find people at Sun and in
the community most familiar with these issues. Also, I felt that this
community may want to help design a leadership model for the program, or
at least participate in that part of it. In other words, is the
suggestion that one person from each region be responsible for leading
that region sound reasonable? Is it reasonable to suggest that each
region directly translate a just few pages on the site so we have some
consistency? Etc ...
> On this, I've copied Michael Monaghan in my team. He's done a lot of web
> designing and engineering and would like him to be aware of this
> discussion.
>
> Last but not least, will there be a vote on this proposal at some point?
> How does a proposal get into an actual task (Is it at least 1 community
> vote)?
I didn't really have a voting mechanism in mind. We've been discussing
it in i-team internally for a few weeks, people have asked for it from
time to time in the community all year long, people seem to want to move
forward here from the responses so far on this list. So, I think we have
consensus to move on this. I think Korea, Japan, China, and India can
certainly move for sure.
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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Hi Jim,
Sorry about some delay.
> I'm not sure I see an overlap, to be honest. Send me some examples of
> what you mean because I think we are missing each other on this.
What you assumed below is one example of overlap, although there isn't
much that has been translated so far (at least I'm not aware of them):
> If various bits of content have been translated already and that
> content lives somewhere on opensolaris.org, that's great. It can stay
> where it is now, it can migrate to the portal address space, or the
> portal pages can simply point to that pre-existing content.
Honestly, I'd like to see some guidelines around content management,
just so that we don't see the same content being stored in multiple
places. In order to do that, there should be a close
interaction/communication between i18n community, the language portal
community (those who work on translating the websites), and local user
groups, who IMHO, are the potential contributors to the Portal sites. It
may all be the same people, but it may not.
>
> The reason I posted the proposal to this community is because I felt
> that this community would be the best place to find people at Sun and
> in the community most familiar with these issues. Also, I felt that
> this community may want to help design a leadership model for the
> program, or at least participate in that part of it.
I think you came to the right community. :-) Several people have already
volunteered to help.
> In other words, is the suggestion that one person from each region be
> responsible for leading that region sound reasonable?
I think this is a good start. There may be more than 1 lead when/if such
arrangement is needed, but even then the leads have to work closely
together.
>
> I didn't really have a voting mechanism in mind. We've been discussing
> it in i-team internally for a few weeks, people have asked for it from
> time to time in the community all year long, people seem to want to
> move forward here from the responses so far on this list. So, I think
> we have consensus to move on this. I think Korea, Japan, China, and
> India can certainly move for sure.
>
That's fine. I was just wondering what the next step was. Trying out those first few country sites will give us insight to what works and what doesn't, how to improve, etc.
Looking forward to seeing them go live.
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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Thanks for all the feedback and conversation around this portal issue. I
think we have more than enough consensus to more forward, but I also
think that several people have brought up some good points that we'll
need to talk through. Which is all good. That's exactly what I wanted
and why I came here first. :)
At this point, I'm going to put a project proposal on
opensolairs-discuss today, so we can go to the broader community and
start a project for this effort. I'd very much like to associate the
project closely with this community's efforts, so I'll be looking for an
endorsement from the Internationalization & Localization Community. I'd
also like to use this community's lists, rather than create all new
lists. I don't want to duplicate efforts but instead focus them.
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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Here is the proposal for a project for us to start work on the portals:
http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=16393&tstart=0
Jim
Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> Thanks for all the feedback and conversation around this portal issue. I
> think we have more than enough consensus to more forward, but I also
> think that several people have brought up some good points that we'll
> need to talk through. Which is all good. That's exactly what I wanted
> and why I came here first. :)
>
> At this point, I'm going to put a project proposal on
> opensolairs-discuss today, so we can go to the broader community and
> start a project for this effort. I'd very much like to associate the
> project closely with this community's efforts, so I'll be looking for an
> endorsement from the Internationalization & Localization Community. I'd
> also like to use this community's lists, rather than create all new
> lists. I don't want to duplicate efforts but instead focus them.
>
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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if you need a new fresh brazilian member, I wanna help
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Cool. Thanks! I'm a bit behind this week due to the Korean OpenSolaris
Day, but I'll get back on this project next week.
Jim
Pablo Costa wrote On 11/09/06 10:31,:
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Re: Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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Hi Pablo,
Welcome! I'm sure Brazilian Portuguese portal can use a lot of your
help. I can see that the site is up, but not quite sure yet whether
translation can start... Let's wait for Jim to respond on that:
http://br.opensolaris.org/os/
One thing I found is that several regional Sun sites had translated
articles and documentations from OS.o. We found several examples for
Korean and Chinese. I wonder if Brazil would be the same case. Would you
look into http://br.sun.com/ (usually on "Developers" link) and see if
it's the same case?
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Re: Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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Hi Young,
Im intersting help Brazilian Portuguse portal, if to start we need
translation lets do it!
About regional Sun site ( http://br.sun.com/ ) under "developers" link
just redirect to main developers site ( http://developers.sun.com/ ). The
worst thing on http://br.sun.com/ is half pt-br and half us (i.e
http://br.sun.com/communities/index.html) and we have a lot of examples
like this.
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> Hi Pablo,
>
> Welcome! I'm sure Brazilian Portuguese portal can use a lot of your
> help. I can see that the site is up, but not quite sure yet whether
> translation can start... Let's wait for Jim to respond on that:
>
> http://br.opensolaris.org/os/
>
> One thing I found is that several regional Sun sites had translated
> articles and documentations from OS.o. We found several examples for
> Korean and Chinese. I wonder if Brazil would be the same case. Would you
> look into http://br.sun.com/ (usually on "Developers" link) and see if
> it's the same case?
>
>
> thanks,
> Young
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Re: Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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Hi Pablo,
>Im intersting help Brazilian Portuguse portal, if to start we need
>translation lets do it!
>
>
Great!
>About regional Sun site ( http://br.sun.com/ ) under "developers" link
>just redirect to main developers site ( http://developers.sun.com/ ). The
>worst thing on http://br.sun.com/ is half pt-br and half us (i.e
>http://br.sun.com/communities/index.html) and we have a lot of examples
>like this.
>
>
Yes, some of these translations are managed through Sun regional
offices. I guess there's too much content to translate. I see the same
thing in Korean site as well. What we want to do for the language portal
as well, is to pick and choose the key pages for Brazil and translate
those. In the end, translated content may be different from one language
portal to another.
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Re: Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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Young please does not forget us :)
regards
pablo costa
> Hi Pablo,
>
>>Im intersting help Brazilian Portuguse portal, if to start we need
>>translation lets do it!
>>
>>
>
> Great!
>
>>About regional Sun site ( http://br.sun.com/ ) under "developers" link
>>just redirect to main developers site ( http://developers.sun.com/ ). The
>>worst thing on http://br.sun.com/ is half pt-br and half us (i.e
>>http://br.sun.com/communities/index.html) and we have a lot of examples
>>like this.
>>
>>
>
> Yes, some of these translations are managed through Sun regional
> offices. I guess there's too much content to translate. I see the same
> thing in Korean site as well. What we want to do for the language portal
> as well, is to pick and choose the key pages for Brazil and translate
> those. In the end, translated content may be different from one language
> portal to another.
>
>
>
> regards,
> Young
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Hi Pablo,
Of course not. Thanks, I take your email as seconds for the project. :-D
By the way, have you been able to try out OLT (Open Language Tool)?
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Re: Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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Hi Young,
I tried out OLT and like a lot, very easy to work with, guess we wont have
any problem with OLT.
Any news about br.opensolaris.org??
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> Hi Pablo,
>
> Of course not. Thanks, I take your email as seconds for the project. :-D
>
> By the way, have you been able to try out OLT (Open Language Tool)?
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Re: Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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Hi Pablo,
>Any news about br.opensolaris.org??
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>
Hmm, don't know... Give Jim a few days. :-) He was out traveling, I saw
his photos from OS.o event in Tech Days in Seoul, Korea just a few days
ago. I see that the br.opensolaris.org site is up, but I don't think
that anyone has access to actually translate the site yet.
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Nope. No new news this week. Sorry. The website team is tied up at the
moment on some site issues, but we are very much in line. Sit tight for
just a bit longer. What I'm waiting for are the templates themselves and
also to understand how we grant access to various groups. Stay tuned.
I would love to have a discussion about tools as well. We are starting
this project pretty much manually, but over time I'd love to have
website translation tool that everyone could use. Or perhaps people
would prefer to do things their own way locally. You tell me. I'm the
new guy to this issue. :)
Jim
Young Joo Pintaske wrote On 11/14/06 09:47,:
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> Hi Pablo,
>
>> Any news about br.opensolaris.org??
>>
>>
>
> Hmm, don't know... Give Jim a few days. :-) He was out traveling, I saw
> his photos from OS.o event in Tech Days in Seoul, Korea just a few days
> ago. I see that the br.opensolaris.org site is up, but I don't think
> that anyone has access to actually translate the site yet.
>
>
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Re: Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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HI Jim, 1st how was Tech Days in Seoul? Hope we will meet in Brazilian
Tech Days :). About website, lets waut for website solution about
traslations so we can discuss about better tool. If necessary we can do
this by hands until we find one good tool ( find or make it ).
regards,
Pablo
> Nope. No new news this week. Sorry. The website team is tied up at the
> moment on some site issues, but we are very much in line. Sit tight for
> just a bit longer. What I'm waiting for are the templates themselves and
> also to understand how we grant access to various groups. Stay tuned.
>
> I would love to have a discussion about tools as well. We are starting
> this project pretty much manually, but over time I'd love to have
> website translation tool that everyone could use. Or perhaps people
> would prefer to do things their own way locally. You tell me. I'm the
> new guy to this issue. :)
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> Young Joo Pintaske wrote On 11/14/06 09:47,:
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>> Hi Pablo,
>>
>>> Any news about br.opensolaris.org??
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Hmm, don't know... Give Jim a few days. :-) He was out traveling, I saw
>> his photos from OS.o event in Tech Days in Seoul, Korea just a few days
>> ago. I see that the br.opensolaris.org site is up, but I don't think
>> that anyone has access to actually translate the site yet.
>>
>>
>> regards,
>> Young
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> HI Jim, 1st how was Tech Days in Seoul? Hope we will
> meet in Brazilian
> Tech Days :). About website, lets waut for website
> solution about
> traslations so we can discuss about better tool. If
> necessary we can do
> this by hands until we find one good tool ( find or
> make it ).
hey ... :)
Yah, I think it will be a manual process to begin with. But that's ok. I'm anxious to get some portals going so we can show the world the diversity we are building.
And Tech Days in Seoul was very successful. In fact, the Korean traffic in total hits to the Jive discussion forums on opensolaris.org went from something like #20 last month to #2 this week. So, Korea is now #2 behind the U.S. for web traffic to the forums. Amazing. There are a lot of people in Korea interested in OpenSolaris, and they've obviously been checking us out.
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Re: Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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Young Joo Pintaske wrote On 11/10/06 06:28,:
> Hi Pablo,
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> Welcome! I'm sure Brazilian Portuguese portal can use a lot of your
> help. I can see that the site is up, but not quite sure yet whether
> translation can start... Let's wait for Jim to respond on that:
>
> http://br.opensolaris.org/os/
This just points to the live parent site. The content on all the portals
is currently identical. If you want to start translating text content,
go right ahead. Feel free. I don't have any portal templates for anyone
to start translating yet, though, and I can't give access yet, too. I
hope to have an update on these items next week.
> One thing I found is that several regional Sun sites had translated
> articles and documentations from OS.o. We found several examples for
> Korean and Chinese. I wonder if Brazil would be the same case. Would you
> look into http://br.sun.com/ (usually on "Developers" link) and see if
> it's the same case?
>
>
> thanks,
> Young
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
opensolaris.org
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Oct 12, 2006 1:46 AM
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1. It's better to use browser's language preference setting at first to
decide what language to show. And place a set of flag icons on the top
of every page in case the user want to change to another language.
2. A mechanism of easily submitting translations/corrections is desired.
Say, place a [Translate it!] button beside the content which is not
localized, and let users easily send out their work.
-Harry
Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> Hello, Internationalization & Localization Community.
>
> Below is a proposal that the OpenSolaris team at Sun is implementing
> on opensolaris.org: Language/Country Portals for the OpenSolaris
> Community. We'd like to engage this community in this effort because
> you have expertise and contacts around the world. We welcome your
> suggestions and participation.
>
> Issue:
>
> Presently, OpenSolaris is primarily an American community because:
>
> (1) the project is based in the U.S.,
> (2) it's only about a year old,
> (3) the majority of content is in English, and
> (4) the majority of the participants speak English.
>
> Also, website statistics demonstrate that this trend is not changing
> very much. So, growing the OpenSolaris community into non-English
> regions (in both emerging markets and mature markets) will be
> difficult without the ability to communicate in multiple languages.
> Although the site's lists support multi language conversations, the
> content on the site itself is basically English. While many developers
> know enough English to participate in technical conversations, this
> isn't true for the majority of developers we'd like to reach out to.
> And even many of these English-speaking developers would prefer to
> engage in their own language.
>
> Goal:
>
> To offer the OpenSolaris community the ability to build local
> language/country portals onto opensolaris.org within top level domains
> to increase community participation in non-English speaking regions.
>
> Implementation:
>
> This proposal comes with some freedom and some responsibility:
>
> Each region will have the freedom to translate existing content,
> create original content, and manage their portal pages for their
> community. An opensolairs.org template will be provided so that the
> site's international portals have a common look/feel and a direct tie
> to the main site. This tie is important because the language portals
> will be hosted on opensolaris.org infrastructure, we'd like to
> maintain some consistency among the portals, and website data will be
> collected to demonstrate results.
>
> Also, we'd like for each region to have a leader responsible for
> communicating on website-discuss to develop relationships with the
> website team and to be aware of major content updates, bug fixes, down
> time, etc. Each region can choose a leader and translate and write
> content any way they want, of course. So, if there are 10
> country/language portals, then there will be 10 country/language
> portal leaders managing their portals but also communicating on
> website-discuss to address any issues. Also, although we want to
> encourage flexibility and the creation of local content, we will be
> suggesting that certain pages on the site be translated directly or
> pointed to so that important information about the project remains
> consistent. The number of these pages will be kept to a minimum,
> however, and shouldn't hinder the overall effort. And of course we
> realize that different regions will make different choices as to how
> much of the main site to translate.
>
> The First Round of Country Portals for Consideration:
>
> * Brazil br.opensolaris.org
> * China cn.opensolaris.org
> * Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
> * France fr.opensolaris.org
> * Germany de.opensolaris.org
> * Italy it.opensolaris.org
> * Japan jp.opensolaris.org
> * Russia ru.opensolaris.org
> * Spain es.opensolaris.org
>
> This program will not be rolled out in totality all at one time. It
> will grow organically starting with anyone who wants to participate
> first. In other words, if we have 10 countries we'd like to start with
> (such as in the list above) but people only willing to participate in,
> say, three of those countries, then that's fine. Those three can go
> right along, and over time others can engage. The reason for this is
> simple -- we want to start small and work out any issues that come up,
> and we don't want any lack of interest in one region holding back the
> other regions. Also, we want to keep centralized management to a
> minimum and engage community members as much as possible at the local
> level. However, we also encourage each local leader to support the
> overall goal -- which is to grow the entire OpenSolaris community and
> maintain a quality website.
>
> So, if members of this community are interested in participating,
> respond to this mail with your questions and ideas. If you are
> interesting in doing some translations, let us know. If you are
> interested in leading a region, let us know. If you have additional
> suggestions or concerns, let us know. We'd like to get a conversation
> going to address the issues and get some portals up.
>
> Jim
> --
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> http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ | http://opensolaris.org/os/
> _______________________________________________
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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Oct 12, 2006 4:51 AM
in response to: Fu, Ning Harry
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Hi, Harry ...
I like the idea of having an application to enable community
translations. We'll have to start our effort off manually for now, but
I'd like to move toward exactly what you suggest. I was in China
recently for Sun's Tech Days conference in Beijing, and I was talking
with James Gosling about this. During his keynote, he demonstrated an
application he's writing that does this. I'm not sure what is required
technically, but I've asked that our team take a look at it and see if
we can implement it or something like it in the future.
Jim
Fu, Ning Harry wrote:
> 1. It's better to use browser's language preference setting at first to
> decide what language to show. And place a set of flag icons on the top
> of every page in case the user want to change to another language.
> 2. A mechanism of easily submitting translations/corrections is desired.
> Say, place a [Translate it!] button beside the content which is not
> localized, and let users easily send out their work.
>
> -Harry
>
> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>
>> Hello, Internationalization & Localization Community.
>>
>> Below is a proposal that the OpenSolaris team at Sun is implementing
>> on opensolaris.org: Language/Country Portals for the OpenSolaris
>> Community. We'd like to engage this community in this effort because
>> you have expertise and contacts around the world. We welcome your
>> suggestions and participation.
>>
>> Issue:
>>
>> Presently, OpenSolaris is primarily an American community because:
>>
>> (1) the project is based in the U.S.,
>> (2) it's only about a year old,
>> (3) the majority of content is in English, and
>> (4) the majority of the participants speak English.
>>
>> Also, website statistics demonstrate that this trend is not changing
>> very much. So, growing the OpenSolaris community into non-English
>> regions (in both emerging markets and mature markets) will be
>> difficult without the ability to communicate in multiple languages.
>> Although the site's lists support multi language conversations, the
>> content on the site itself is basically English. While many developers
>> know enough English to participate in technical conversations, this
>> isn't true for the majority of developers we'd like to reach out to.
>> And even many of these English-speaking developers would prefer to
>> engage in their own language.
>>
>> Goal:
>>
>> To offer the OpenSolaris community the ability to build local
>> language/country portals onto opensolaris.org within top level domains
>> to increase community participation in non-English speaking regions.
>>
>> Implementation:
>>
>> This proposal comes with some freedom and some responsibility:
>>
>> Each region will have the freedom to translate existing content,
>> create original content, and manage their portal pages for their
>> community. An opensolairs.org template will be provided so that the
>> site's international portals have a common look/feel and a direct tie
>> to the main site. This tie is important because the language portals
>> will be hosted on opensolaris.org infrastructure, we'd like to
>> maintain some consistency among the portals, and website data will be
>> collected to demonstrate results.
>>
>> Also, we'd like for each region to have a leader responsible for
>> communicating on website-discuss to develop relationships with the
>> website team and to be aware of major content updates, bug fixes, down
>> time, etc. Each region can choose a leader and translate and write
>> content any way they want, of course. So, if there are 10
>> country/language portals, then there will be 10 country/language
>> portal leaders managing their portals but also communicating on
>> website-discuss to address any issues. Also, although we want to
>> encourage flexibility and the creation of local content, we will be
>> suggesting that certain pages on the site be translated directly or
>> pointed to so that important information about the project remains
>> consistent. The number of these pages will be kept to a minimum,
>> however, and shouldn't hinder the overall effort. And of course we
>> realize that different regions will make different choices as to how
>> much of the main site to translate.
>>
>> The First Round of Country Portals for Consideration:
>>
>> * Brazil br.opensolaris.org
>> * China cn.opensolaris.org
>> * Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
>> * France fr.opensolaris.org
>> * Germany de.opensolaris.org
>> * Italy it.opensolaris.org
>> * Japan jp.opensolaris.org
>> * Russia ru.opensolaris.org
>> * Spain es.opensolaris.org
>>
>> This program will not be rolled out in totality all at one time. It
>> will grow organically starting with anyone who wants to participate
>> first. In other words, if we have 10 countries we'd like to start with
>> (such as in the list above) but people only willing to participate in,
>> say, three of those countries, then that's fine. Those three can go
>> right along, and over time others can engage. The reason for this is
>> simple -- we want to start small and work out any issues that come up,
>> and we don't want any lack of interest in one region holding back the
>> other regions. Also, we want to keep centralized management to a
>> minimum and engage community members as much as possible at the local
>> level. However, we also encourage each local leader to support the
>> overall goal -- which is to grow the entire OpenSolaris community and
>> maintain a quality website.
>>
>> So, if members of this community are interested in participating,
>> respond to this mail with your questions and ideas. If you are
>> interesting in doing some translations, let us know. If you are
>> interested in leading a region, let us know. If you have additional
>> suggestions or concerns, let us know. We'd like to get a conversation
>> going to address the issues and get some portals up.
>>
>> Jim
>> --
>> Jim Grisanzio, Engineering Community Manager, OpenSolaris
>> http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ | http://opensolaris.org/os/
>> _______________________________________________
>> i18n-discuss mailing list
>> i18n-discuss at opensolaris dot org
>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n-discuss
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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Oct 13, 2006 8:41 AM
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Yes. I know that application. It is a good direction to head on.
Regarding the different locales/countires, I think once we have a framework for I18N, and test it with one or two lauguages, say, Japanese and Chinese, it will be only a translation work to expand to other languages. But the problem is, if you know how we do localization, usually the translators are given a set of message files, which are stripped out of the real context. Then the translation occasionally goes wrong, especially when the content is full of new concept or abstract theory. So, I am thinking about to have some kind of mechanism to let community or translators easily compare the translated work with the original text. Once they find errors, they can submit a correction right away from the page.
If you need someone to help on simplified Chinese, please count me in.
Regards,
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Grisanzio <Jim dot Grisanzio at Sun dot COM>
Date: Thursday, October 12, 2006 9:32 pm
Subject: Re: [i18n-discuss] Proposal: Language/Country Portals for opensolaris.org
To: "Fu, Ning Harry" <Harry dot Fu at Sun dot COM>
Cc: i18n-discuss at opensolaris dot org
> Hi, Harry ...
>
> I like the idea of having an application to enable community
> translations. We'll have to start our effort off manually for now,
> but
> I'd like to move toward exactly what you suggest. I was in China
> recently for Sun's Tech Days conference in Beijing, and I was
> talking
> with James Gosling about this. During his keynote, he demonstrated
> an
> application he's writing that does this. I'm not sure what is
> required
> technically, but I've asked that our team take a look at it and
> see if
> we can implement it or something like it in the future.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Fu, Ning Harry wrote:
>
> > 1. It's better to use browser's language preference setting at
> first to
> > decide what language to show. And place a set of flag icons on
> the top
> > of every page in case the user want to change to another language.
> > 2. A mechanism of easily submitting translations/corrections is
> desired.
> > Say, place a [Translate it!] button beside the content which is
> not
> > localized, and let users easily send out their work.
> >
> > -Harry
> >
> > Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> >
> >> Hello, Internationalization & Localization Community.
> >>
> >> Below is a proposal that the OpenSolaris team at Sun is
> implementing
> >> on opensolaris.org: Language/Country Portals for the
> OpenSolaris
> >> Community. We'd like to engage this community in this effort
> because
> >> you have expertise and contacts around the world. We welcome
> your
> >> suggestions and participation.
> >>
> >> Issue:
> >>
> >> Presently, OpenSolaris is primarily an American community because:
> >>
> >> (1) the project is based in the U.S.,
> >> (2) it's only about a year old,
> >> (3) the majority of content is in English, and
> >> (4) the majority of the participants speak English.
> >>
> >> Also, website statistics demonstrate that this trend is not
> changing
> >> very much. So, growing the OpenSolaris community into non-
> English
> >> regions (in both emerging markets and mature markets) will be
> >> difficult without the ability to communicate in multiple
> languages.
> >> Although the site's lists support multi language conversations,
> the
> >> content on the site itself is basically English. While many
> developers
> >> know enough English to participate in technical conversations,
> this
> >> isn't true for the majority of developers we'd like to reach
> out to.
> >> And even many of these English-speaking developers would prefer
> to
> >> engage in their own language.
> >>
> >> Goal:
> >>
> >> To offer the OpenSolaris community the ability to build local
> >> language/country portals onto opensolaris.org within top level
> domains
> >> to increase community participation in non-English speaking
> regions.>>
> >> Implementation:
> >>
> >> This proposal comes with some freedom and some responsibility:
> >>
> >> Each region will have the freedom to translate existing
> content,
> >> create original content, and manage their portal pages for
> their
> >> community. An opensolairs.org template will be provided so that
> the
> >> site's international portals have a common look/feel and a
> direct tie
> >> to the main site. This tie is important because the language
> portals
> >> will be hosted on opensolaris.org infrastructure, we'd like to
> >> maintain some consistency among the portals, and website data
> will be
> >> collected to demonstrate results.
> >>
> >> Also, we'd like for each region to have a leader responsible
> for
> >> communicating on website-discuss to develop relationships with
> the
> >> website team and to be aware of major content updates, bug
> fixes, down
> >> time, etc. Each region can choose a leader and translate and
> write
> >> content any way they want, of course. So, if there are 10
> >> country/language portals, then there will be 10
> country/language
> >> portal leaders managing their portals but also communicating on
> >> website-discuss to address any issues. Also, although we want
> to
> >> encourage flexibility and the creation of local content, we
> will be
> >> suggesting that certain pages on the site be translated
> directly or
> >> pointed to so that important information about the project
> remains
> >> consistent. The number of these pages will be kept to a
> minimum,
> >> however, and shouldn't hinder the overall effort. And of course
> we
> >> realize that different regions will make different choices as
> to how
> >> much of the main site to translate.
> >>
> >> The First Round of Country Portals for Consideration:
> >>
> >> * Brazil br.opensolaris.org
> >> * China cn.opensolaris.org
> >> * Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
> >> * France fr.opensolaris.org
> >> * Germany de.opensolaris.org
> >> * Italy it.opensolaris.org
> >> * Japan jp.opensolaris.org
> >> * Russia ru.opensolaris.org
> >> * Spain es.opensolaris.org
> >>
> >> This program will not be rolled out in totality all at one
> time. It
> >> will grow organically starting with anyone who wants to
> participate
> >> first. In other words, if we have 10 countries we'd like to
> start with
> >> (such as in the list above) but people only willing to
> participate in,
> >> say, three of those countries, then that's fine. Those three
> can go
> >> right along, and over time others can engage. The reason for
> this is
> >> simple -- we want to start small and work out any issues that
> come up,
> >> and we don't want any lack of interest in one region holding
> back the
> >> other regions. Also, we want to keep centralized management to
> a
> >> minimum and engage community members as much as possible at the
> local
> >> level. However, we also encourage each local leader to support
> the
> >> overall goal -- which is to grow the entire OpenSolaris
> community and
> >> maintain a quality website.
> >>
> >> So, if members of this community are interested in
> participating,
> >> respond to this mail with your questions and ideas. If you are
> >> interesting in doing some translations, let us know. If you are
> >> interested in leading a region, let us know. If you have
> additional
> >> suggestions or concerns, let us know. We'd like to get a
> conversation
> >> going to address the issues and get some portals up.
> >>
> >> Jim
> >> --
> >> Jim Grisanzio, Engineering Community Manager, OpenSolaris
> >> http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ | http://opensolaris.org/os/
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> i18n-discuss mailing list
> >> i18n-discuss at opensolaris dot org
> >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n-discuss
> >
> >
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
opensolaris.org
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Oct 13, 2006 8:42 AM
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Ning Harry Fu wrote:
> But the problem is, if you know how we do localization, usually
> the translators are given a set of message files, which are
> stripped out of the real context.
Don't do that then! Send the entire file for translation to translators,
rather than just fragments of the file. If the file has been partially
translated already, so much the better..
The Open Language Tools project I was involved in a while ago solves
this problem ( you always send out the *entire* file for translation -
the translator sees the original context, but only has to translate new
or changed strings, courtesy of XLIFF )
Better still, since opensolaris.org is public (unlike, say, unreleased
software messages or documentation) you can also include a URL to the
original page - so not only does the translator get the text of the page
for translation, along with what's already been translated, they can
also see the style attributes that the original page uses...
cheers,
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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first salute!
I live in Brazil, and i have been work with SUN/Solaris solutions about 8 yrs. I dont know why but since Opensolaris started i never seen "OpenSolaris brazilian group" a.k.a www.opensolaris-br.org do something to grow up Solaris Brazilian users. I know brazilian opensolaris users has been grow and grow every day but we dont have any suport. Language is a big problem about change from other OS (like gnu/linux) unfortunate brazilian people does not like learn other language.
Well, I really like this iniciative from SUN a.k.a OpenSolaris.org but I guess OpenSolaris need think more about how you will do this (brazil strategic). First we need more involve by "OpenSolaris brazilian group" and SUN Microsystem Brazil. I see Conference in Asia, Europe, USA, Mexico, but one or two isolate OpenSolaris activite here. Alone I promoved, last 2 month, 2 opensolaris "install fest and little conference for talk about solutions and tecnology. Well what I want to say is if I (Who life in a medium city,Goiania Goias) why people in Sao Paulo or Rio de Janeiro do nothing. I can be wrong but I NEVER seen any OpenSolaris brazilian group activity.
I was a Linux Kernel developer ( 7 yrs ago ), but I saw, one day, linux did not ( does not ) have any direction, any strategic to grow ( if some direction ) and be one day the best OS. Guess OpenSolaris do not make the same mistake.
Sorry about my english :) my spanish is better
btw, Greate iniciative, I work all I can to help OpenSolaris.org to grow in Brazil.
regards
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Re: Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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Pablo Costa wrote On 10/16/06 12:08,:
> first salute!
>
> I live in Brazil, and i have been work with SUN/Solaris solutions about 8 yrs. I dont know why but since Opensolaris started i never seen "OpenSolaris brazilian group" a.k.a www.opensolaris-br.org do something to grow up Solaris Brazilian users. I know brazilian opensolaris users has been grow and grow every day but we dont have any suport. Language is a big problem about change from other OS (like gnu/linux) unfortunate brazilian people does not like learn other language.
>
> Well, I really like this iniciative from SUN a.k.a OpenSolaris.org but I guess OpenSolaris need think more about how you will do this (brazil strategic). First we need more involve by "OpenSolaris brazilian group" and SUN Microsystem Brazil. I see Conference in Asia, Europe, USA, Mexico, but one or two isolate OpenSolaris activite here. Alone I promoved, last 2 month, 2 opensolaris "install fest and little conference for talk about solutions and tecnology. Well what I want to say is if I (Who life in a medium city,Goiania Goias) why people in Sao Paulo or Rio de Janeiro do nothing. I can be wrong but I NEVER seen any OpenSolaris brazilian group activity.
>
> I was a Linux Kernel developer ( 7 yrs ago ), but I saw, one day, linux did not ( does not ) have any direction, any strategic to grow ( if some direction ) and be one day the best OS. Guess OpenSolaris do not make the same mistake.
>
> Sorry about my english :) my spanish is better
>
> btw, Greate iniciative, I work all I can to help OpenSolaris.org to grow in Brazil.
Hello, Pablo.
I just sent a note to the Brazil OSUG (www.opensolaris-br.org) directing
them to this thread and your interest in getting involved. I'm sure
we'll have a successful portal for Brazil! :) I think Brazil has huge
potential for OpenSolaris.
Jim
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
opensolaris.org
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Oct 18, 2006 3:25 AM
in response to: pablo.co
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sup Jim!
Well I was trying talk with opensolaris-br but no replay. Well the true is Brazil does not have one comunity yet, and SUN BRAZIL does not care too much for this. Im writing one solaris guide ( portuguese ) for help some people and im trying translate all I can but Im only one guy. All I wrote here was because I realy love this OS and I wanna make all I need to help.
regards
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Re: Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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Oct 18, 2006 4:32 PM
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Hello Pablo,
I just also would like to inform you just in case that we do have
Grupo Português-Brasil as shown at below:
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/int_localization/community_structure/pt_br_group/
and it will be really quite exciting if there will be some working
relationship between the portal and also the language group.
I'cc g11b-pt-br-discuss mailing list for language group folks' possible
involvement on the Português-Brasil portal discussion also.
Thanks very much in advance for your participation and contributions for
OpenSolaris in general!
Ienup
Pablo Costa wrote at 10/15/06 20:08:
> first salute!
>
> I live in Brazil, and i have been work with SUN/Solaris solutions about 8 yrs. I dont know why but since Opensolaris started i never seen "OpenSolaris brazilian group" a.k.a www.opensolaris-br.org do something to grow up Solaris Brazilian users. I know brazilian opensolaris users has been grow and grow every day but we dont have any suport. Language is a big problem about change from other OS (like gnu/linux) unfortunate brazilian people does not like learn other language.
>
> Well, I really like this iniciative from SUN a.k.a OpenSolaris.org but I guess OpenSolaris need think more about how you will do this (brazil strategic). First we need more involve by "OpenSolaris brazilian group" and SUN Microsystem Brazil. I see Conference in Asia, Europe, USA, Mexico, but one or two isolate OpenSolaris activite here. Alone I promoved, last 2 month, 2 opensolaris "install fest and little conference for talk about solutions and tecnology. Well what I want to say is if I (Who life in a medium city,Goiania Goias) why people in Sao Paulo or Rio de Janeiro do nothing. I can be wrong but I NEVER seen any OpenSolaris brazilian group activity.
>
> I was a Linux Kernel developer ( 7 yrs ago ), but I saw, one day, linux did not ( does not ) have any direction, any strategic to grow ( if some direction ) and be one day the best OS. Guess OpenSolaris do not make the same mistake.
>
> Sorry about my english :) my spanish is better
>
> btw, Greate iniciative, I work all I can to help OpenSolaris.org to grow in Brazil.
>
> regards
> pablo costa
>
>
> This message posted from opensolaris.org
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Re: Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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Sorry, I mistyped g11n-pt-br-discuss mailing list address in the previous
email...
Ienup
Ienup Sung wrote at 10/18/06 16:32:
> Hello Pablo,
>
> I just also would like to inform you just in case that we do have
> Grupo Português-Brasil as shown at below:
>
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/int_localization/community_structure/pt_br_group/
>
>
> and it will be really quite exciting if there will be some working
> relationship between the portal and also the language group.
>
> I'cc g11b-pt-br-discuss mailing list for language group folks' possible
> involvement on the Português-Brasil portal discussion also.
>
> Thanks very much in advance for your participation and contributions for
> OpenSolaris in general!
>
> Ienup
>
> Pablo Costa wrote at 10/15/06 20:08:
>
>> first salute!
>>
>> I live in Brazil, and i have been work with SUN/Solaris solutions
>> about 8 yrs. I dont know why but since Opensolaris started i never
>> seen "OpenSolaris brazilian group" a.k.a www.opensolaris-br.org do
>> something to grow up Solaris Brazilian users. I know brazilian
>> opensolaris users has been grow and grow every day but we dont have
>> any suport. Language is a big problem about change from other OS (like
>> gnu/linux) unfortunate brazilian people does not like learn other
>> language.
>> Well, I really like this iniciative from SUN a.k.a OpenSolaris.org but
>> I guess OpenSolaris need think more about how you will do this (brazil
>> strategic). First we need more involve by "OpenSolaris brazilian
>> group" and SUN Microsystem Brazil. I see Conference in Asia, Europe,
>> USA, Mexico, but one or two isolate OpenSolaris activite here. Alone I
>> promoved, last 2 month, 2 opensolaris "install fest and little
>> conference for talk about solutions and tecnology. Well what I want to
>> say is if I (Who life in a medium city,Goiania Goias) why people in
>> Sao Paulo or Rio de Janeiro do nothing. I can be wrong but I NEVER
>> seen any OpenSolaris brazilian group activity.
>>
>> I was a Linux Kernel developer ( 7 yrs ago ), but I saw, one day,
>> linux did not ( does not ) have any direction, any strategic to grow (
>> if some direction ) and be one day the best OS. Guess OpenSolaris do
>> not make the same mistake.
>>
>> Sorry about my english :) my spanish is better
>>
>> btw, Greate iniciative, I work all I can to help OpenSolaris.org to
>> grow in Brazil.
>>
>> regards
>> pablo costa
>>
>>
>> This message posted from opensolaris.org
>> _______________________________________________
>> i18n-discuss mailing list
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>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n-discuss
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Re: Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
opensolaris.org
Posted:
Oct 18, 2006 7:25 PM
in response to: is1
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hi Ienup, well just one problem, last actived thread on g11n-pt-pt-br-discuss : Oct 2, 2006 12:17 PM
well but im decide go with my own, will build a little site with some informations for Brazilian guys. You have the best intentions, but I dont see any progress in Brazil.
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Re: Re: Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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Oct 18, 2006 7:32 PM
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Hi Pablo,
That should be no problem for everyone and more the merrier in my opinion.
I just hope that there could be some form of relationships or
cooperation between the language group and the user group/portal.
Ienup
Pablo Costa wrote at 10/18/06 19:25:
> hi Ienup, well just one problem, last actived thread on g11n-pt-pt-br-discuss : Oct 2, 2006 12:17 PM
>
> well but im decide go with my own, will build a little site with some informations for Brazilian guys. You have the best intentions, but I dont see any progress in Brazil.
>
> regards
> pablo costa
>
>
> This message posted from opensolaris.org
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Re: [g11n-pt-br-discuss] Re: Re:
Proposal: Language/Country Portals for opensolaris.org
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Hi Ienup!!! Hi people!!!
Thanks for forward this message..... =)
I'll go speak with the Pablo to invite her in our group!!!
I'm copy this message to Dimas(www.opensolaris-br.org) to invite her too...
Regards,
Vinny
In Portuguese:
Pablo e Dimas,
Tudo bem?
Sou o Team Leader do grupo Português-Brasil.
Gostaria de conversar com você a respeito do grupo....
Convidei alguns amigos que se prontificaram a ajudar na tradução do
OpenSolaris mas infelizmente o pessoal só ficou no "fogo de palha" e
pelo que percebi, somos um dos grupos mais atrasados em relação a algum
tipo de tradução de qualquer parte do S.O.
Gostaria de convidá-lo a participar deste grupo e começarmos "realmente"
a fazer alguma coisa, pois na época do lançamento do OpenSolaris à
comunidade livre, eu fui o único a se interessar pelo assunto.
Quase desisti a um tempo atrás, por não estar contribuindo com quase
nada devido as minhas atividades profissionais. Mas resolvi continuar e
me esforçar para mostrar que os Brasileiros (ou pelo menos "alguns"
deles) sabem fazer coisas tão boas quanto qualquer outro em qualquer
lugar do mundo.
Converso muito com o Ienup, ele ajuda bastante e é basicamente o
coordenador "geral" de tudo, auxiliando todos os grupos para o melhor
andamento do projeto como um todo.
Espero poder contar com você para, enfim, darmos o pontapé inicial na
"seleção brasileira" do OpenSolaris!! =)
Bom vou comentar um pouco sobre minha experiência...
Atualmente sou desenvolvedor web (isso ocupa boa parte do meu tempo,
70%) trabalho com ColdFusion e PHP.
Também atuo com redes e sistemas operacionais....meu mundo atual nessa
área vai desde as versões Windows até meu linux preferido, o SUSE.
Trabalho com isso desde 1998, meu forte é redes e sistemas operacionais,
integração entre redes linux/windows e um pouco sobre segurança.
Conheço também shell-script e biscateio em pearl e sei "ler" programas
em outras linguagens...a tempos atrás eu sabia programar em C# e Visual
Basic, mas já esqueci isso....nada que me impeça de aprender novamente...
Com relação ao mundo *nix, tive breve contato com o AIX da IBM,
trabalhei lá por alguns meses, no suporte, e com o antigo True64 da
ex-Compaq. Tive também alguns clientes que tinham o SCO, mas eu não dava
suporte nele...
Bem se desejar, podemos continuar conversando por aqui ou pelos meus
e-mails particulares: vinicius at kwf dot com dot br ou viniciuskawakami at gmail dot com
Sou de São Paulo/SP.
[]s
Vinny
Ienup Sung wrote:
> Sorry, I mistyped g11n-pt-br-discuss mailing list address in the previous
> email...
>
> Ienup
>
> Ienup Sung wrote at 10/18/06 16:32:
>> Hello Pablo,
>>
>> I just also would like to inform you just in case that we do have
>> Grupo Português-Brasil as shown at below:
>>
>> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/int_localization/community_structure/pt_br_group/
>>
>>
>> and it will be really quite exciting if there will be some working
>> relationship between the portal and also the language group.
>>
>> I'cc g11b-pt-br-discuss mailing list for language group folks' possible
>> involvement on the Português-Brasil portal discussion also.
>>
>> Thanks very much in advance for your participation and contributions for
>> OpenSolaris in general!
>>
>> Ienup
>>
>> Pablo Costa wrote at 10/15/06 20:08:
>>
>>> first salute!
>>>
>>> I live in Brazil, and i have been work with SUN/Solaris solutions
>>> about 8 yrs. I dont know why but since Opensolaris started i never
>>> seen "OpenSolaris brazilian group" a.k.a www.opensolaris-br.org do
>>> something to grow up Solaris Brazilian users. I know brazilian
>>> opensolaris users has been grow and grow every day but we dont have
>>> any suport. Language is a big problem about change from other OS
>>> (like gnu/linux) unfortunate brazilian people does not like learn
>>> other language.
>>> Well, I really like this iniciative from SUN a.k.a OpenSolaris.org
>>> but I guess OpenSolaris need think more about how you will do this
>>> (brazil strategic). First we need more involve by "OpenSolaris
>>> brazilian group" and SUN Microsystem Brazil. I see Conference in
>>> Asia, Europe, USA, Mexico, but one or two isolate OpenSolaris
>>> activite here. Alone I promoved, last 2 month, 2 opensolaris "install
>>> fest and little conference for talk about solutions and tecnology.
>>> Well what I want to say is if I (Who life in a medium city,Goiania
>>> Goias) why people in Sao Paulo or Rio de Janeiro do nothing. I can be
>>> wrong but I NEVER seen any OpenSolaris brazilian group activity.
>>>
>>> I was a Linux Kernel developer ( 7 yrs ago ), but I saw, one day,
>>> linux did not ( does not ) have any direction, any strategic to grow
>>> ( if some direction ) and be one day the best OS. Guess OpenSolaris
>>> do not make the same mistake.
>>>
>>> Sorry about my english :) my spanish is better
>>>
>>> btw, Greate iniciative, I work all I can to help OpenSolaris.org to
>>> grow in Brazil.
>>>
>>> regards
>>> pablo costa
>>>
>>>
>>> This message posted from opensolaris.org
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> i18n-discuss mailing list
>>> i18n-discuss at opensolaris dot org
>>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n-discuss
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> i18n-discuss at opensolaris dot org
>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n-discus
>> s
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Re: [g11n-pt-br-discuss] Re: Re:
Proposal: Language/Country Portals for opensolaris.org
Posted:
Oct 19, 2006 5:10 AM
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Sorry,
I write wrong the Dima's name....the correct is Rafael...sorry =)
Regards,
Vinny
Marcus Vinicius P Coimbra wrote:
> Hi Ienup!!! Hi people!!!
>
> Thanks for forward this message..... =)
>
> I'll go speak with the Pablo to invite her in our group!!!
>
> I'm copy this message to Dimas(www.opensolaris-br.org) to invite her too...
>
> Regards,
>
> Vinny
>
> In Portuguese:
>
> Pablo e Dimas,
>
> Tudo bem?
> Sou o Team Leader do grupo Português-Brasil.
> Gostaria de conversar com você a respeito do grupo....
> Convidei alguns amigos que se prontificaram a ajudar na tradução do
> OpenSolaris mas infelizmente o pessoal só ficou no "fogo de palha" e
> pelo que percebi, somos um dos grupos mais atrasados em relação a algum
> tipo de tradução de qualquer parte do S.O.
>
> Gostaria de convidá-lo a participar deste grupo e começarmos "realmente"
> a fazer alguma coisa, pois na época do lançamento do OpenSolaris à
> comunidade livre, eu fui o único a se interessar pelo assunto.
> Quase desisti a um tempo atrás, por não estar contribuindo com quase
> nada devido as minhas atividades profissionais. Mas resolvi continuar e
> me esforçar para mostrar que os Brasileiros (ou pelo menos "alguns"
> deles) sabem fazer coisas tão boas quanto qualquer outro em qualquer
> lugar do mundo.
>
> Converso muito com o Ienup, ele ajuda bastante e é basicamente o
> coordenador "geral" de tudo, auxiliando todos os grupos para o melhor
> andamento do projeto como um todo.
>
> Espero poder contar com você para, enfim, darmos o pontapé inicial na
> "seleção brasileira" do OpenSolaris!! =)
>
> Bom vou comentar um pouco sobre minha experiência...
>
> Atualmente sou desenvolvedor web (isso ocupa boa parte do meu tempo,
> 70%) trabalho com ColdFusion e PHP.
> Também atuo com redes e sistemas operacionais....meu mundo atual nessa
> área vai desde as versões Windows até meu linux preferido, o SUSE.
> Trabalho com isso desde 1998, meu forte é redes e sistemas operacionais,
> integração entre redes linux/windows e um pouco sobre segurança.
>
> Conheço também shell-script e biscateio em pearl e sei "ler" programas
> em outras linguagens...a tempos atrás eu sabia programar em C# e Visual
> Basic, mas já esqueci isso....nada que me impeça de aprender novamente...
>
> Com relação ao mundo *nix, tive breve contato com o AIX da IBM,
> trabalhei lá por alguns meses, no suporte, e com o antigo True64 da
> ex-Compaq. Tive também alguns clientes que tinham o SCO, mas eu não dava
> suporte nele...
>
> Bem se desejar, podemos continuar conversando por aqui ou pelos meus
> e-mails particulares: vinicius at kwf dot com dot br ou viniciuskawakami at gmail dot com
>
> Sou de São Paulo/SP.
>
> []s
>
> Vinny
>
> Ienup Sung wrote:
>> Sorry, I mistyped g11n-pt-br-discuss mailing list address in the previous
>> email...
>>
>> Ienup
>>
>> Ienup Sung wrote at 10/18/06 16:32:
>>> Hello Pablo,
>>>
>>> I just also would like to inform you just in case that we do have
>>> Grupo Português-Brasil as shown at below:
>>>
>>> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/int_localization/community_structure/pt_br_group/
>>>
>>>
>>> and it will be really quite exciting if there will be some working
>>> relationship between the portal and also the language group.
>>>
>>> I'cc g11b-pt-br-discuss mailing list for language group folks' possible
>>> involvement on the Português-Brasil portal discussion also.
>>>
>>> Thanks very much in advance for your participation and contributions for
>>> OpenSolaris in general!
>>>
>>> Ienup
>>>
>>> Pablo Costa wrote at 10/15/06 20:08:
>>>
>>>> first salute!
>>>>
>>>> I live in Brazil, and i have been work with SUN/Solaris solutions
>>>> about 8 yrs. I dont know why but since Opensolaris started i never
>>>> seen "OpenSolaris brazilian group" a.k.a www.opensolaris-br.org do
>>>> something to grow up Solaris Brazilian users. I know brazilian
>>>> opensolaris users has been grow and grow every day but we dont have
>>>> any suport. Language is a big problem about change from other OS
>>>> (like gnu/linux) unfortunate brazilian people does not like learn
>>>> other language.
>>>> Well, I really like this iniciative from SUN a.k.a OpenSolaris.org
>>>> but I guess OpenSolaris need think more about how you will do this
>>>> (brazil strategic). First we need more involve by "OpenSolaris
>>>> brazilian group" and SUN Microsystem Brazil. I see Conference in
>>>> Asia, Europe, USA, Mexico, but one or two isolate OpenSolaris
>>>> activite here. Alone I promoved, last 2 month, 2 opensolaris
>>>> "install fest and little conference for talk about solutions and
>>>> tecnology. Well what I want to say is if I (Who life in a medium
>>>> city,Goiania Goias) why people in Sao Paulo or Rio de Janeiro do
>>>> nothing. I can be wrong but I NEVER seen any OpenSolaris brazilian
>>>> group activity.
>>>>
>>>> I was a Linux Kernel developer ( 7 yrs ago ), but I saw, one day,
>>>> linux did not ( does not ) have any direction, any strategic to grow
>>>> ( if some direction ) and be one day the best OS. Guess OpenSolaris
>>>> do not make the same mistake.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry about my english :) my spanish is better
>>>>
>>>> btw, Greate iniciative, I work all I can to help OpenSolaris.org to
>>>> grow in Brazil.
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>> pablo costa
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This message posted from opensolaris.org
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> i18n-discuss mailing list
>>>> i18n-discuss at opensolaris dot org
>>>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n-discuss
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> i18n-discuss mailing list
>>> i18n-discuss at opensolaris dot org
>>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n-discus
>>> s
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>> g11n-pt-br-discuss at opensolaris dot org
>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/g11n-pt-br-discuss
>>
>>
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
opensolaris.org
Posted:
Oct 12, 2006 11:44 AM
in response to: jimgris
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> Hello, Internationalization & Localization Community.
>
> The First Round of Country Portals for Consideration:
>
> * Brazil br.opensolaris.org
> * China cn.opensolaris.org
> * Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
> * France fr.opensolaris.org
> * Germany de.opensolaris.org
> * Italy it.opensolaris.org
> * Japan jp.opensolaris.org
> * Russia ru.opensolaris.org
> * Spain es.opensolaris.org
> --
> Jim Grisanzio, Engineering Community Manager,
> OpenSolaris
> http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ |
> http://opensolaris.org/os/
>
This is a great move & I will be happy to contribute on the tradition Chinese part. Additionally, Honolulu has large populations of Chinese, Japanese, & Koreans, among many other ethnic groups & nationalities, tightly packed, & doing businesses together, in a tiny portion of a tiny island. We will also be happy try to test/promote OpenSolaris from a multi-lingual/multi-locale perspective.
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Re: Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
opensolaris.org
Posted:
Oct 13, 2006 1:59 AM
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W. Wayne Liauh wrote On 10/13/06 03:44,:
>>Hello, Internationalization & Localization Community.
>>
>>The First Round of Country Portals for Consideration:
>>
>> * Brazil br.opensolaris.org
>>* China cn.opensolaris.org
>> * Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
>>* France fr.opensolaris.org
>> * Germany de.opensolaris.org
>>* Italy it.opensolaris.org
>> * Japan jp.opensolaris.org
>>* Russia ru.opensolaris.org
>> * Spain es.opensolaris.org
>>--
>>Jim Grisanzio, Engineering Community Manager,
>>OpenSolaris
>>http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ |
>>http://opensolaris.org/os/
>>
>
>
> This is a great move & I will be happy to contribute on the tradition Chinese part. Additionally, Honolulu has large populations of Chinese, Japanese, & Koreans, among many other ethnic groups & nationalities, tightly packed, & doing businesses together, in a tiny portion of a tiny island. We will also be happy try to test/promote OpenSolaris from a multi-lingual/multi-locale perspective.
Cool. Sounds great. I have some messages in to the Sun China team as
well. They expressed interest in this when I was there recently.
Jim
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals
for opensolaris.org
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Hi Jim,
It's a great proposal for non-English region's community and I'm glad to
see
that several community members have already agreed with the proposal and
raised a
hand to contribution in each language.
I'm a member of Globalization(G11N) team of Sun located in Japan. I'd
like to
contribute to Japan's portal site. I just want to share the current
information in Japanese
on OpenSolaris.org (OS.o) which Higuchi-san mainly has lead the
initiation, translation,
uploading, announcement and so on.
Japan Community (under Community: User Groups)
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/nsug/
That page contains Japanese translations of Project Overview, FAQ
Center, Nevada
Community, OpenSolaris Developer's Reference Guide of English links below.
http://opensolaris.org/os/about/
http://opensolaris.org/os/about/faq/
http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/
http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/devref_toc/
It also includes the link to Murayama-san's NIC driver's page.
Japanese Language Group:
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/int_localization/community_structure/ja_group/
This is mainly for Japanese languages related topics, like locale,
messages, input methods,
fonts, printing in Japanese, specific issues on Japanese environment.
There is an introduction of the mail-alias
"g11n-ja-discuss at opensolaris dot org" on it.
I have read several threads in Japanese, i.e. iconv transformation
table, corrupted Japanese
(Mojibake) on Flashplayer, Japanese printing filter (mp...),
U+301C(wave dash) vs. U+FF5E
(fullwidth tilda) and I think these discussion is very useful to
Japanese community.
Regarding the source code from G11N, the message tarball is available
at this point.
http://dlc.sun.com/osol/g11n/downloads/current/
G11N team has been working for delivering more source codes, like
copyright check and is
going to move the source code to OS.o community.
I believe that the portal to non-English regions (like
jp.opensolaris.org) is very important
and very easy for community member to access even for the 1st visitor.
For instance, it was
very hard to me to reach to Japan Community from the top of
opensolaris.org without any
information of the exact URL, when I just heard that there was
Japanese pages on OS.o.
The path to it may be Portal -> User Groups -> Japan Community.
In additon, it's good to use OS.o web infrastructure for those portal,
since we don't have to
set up the web site for that purpose of the portal outside. The
infrastructure seems to handle
multi-language. It also provides the template, so I think it will help
to save the time.
At this point, the following page has two-layered left-side frame
(original English + Japanese)
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/nsug/onnv/devref_toc/
I hope this will be improved, so that people can see it in the browser
easily.
Regards,
//Iwabuchi
Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> Hello, Internationalization & Localization Community.
>
> Below is a proposal that the OpenSolaris team at Sun is implementing
> on opensolaris.org: Language/Country Portals for the OpenSolaris
> Community. We'd like to engage this community in this effort because
> you have expertise and contacts around the world. We welcome your
> suggestions and participation.
>
> Issue:
>
> Presently, OpenSolaris is primarily an American community because:
>
> (1) the project is based in the U.S.,
> (2) it's only about a year old,
> (3) the majority of content is in English, and
> (4) the majority of the participants speak English.
>
> Also, website statistics demonstrate that this trend is not changing
> very much. So, growing the OpenSolaris community into non-English
> regions (in both emerging markets and mature markets) will be
> difficult without the ability to communicate in multiple languages.
> Although the site's lists support multi language conversations, the
> content on the site itself is basically English. While many developers
> know enough English to participate in technical conversations, this
> isn't true for the majority of developers we'd like to reach out to.
> And even many of these English-speaking developers would prefer to
> engage in their own language.
>
> Goal:
>
> To offer the OpenSolaris community the ability to build local
> language/country portals onto opensolaris.org within top level domains
> to increase community participation in non-English speaking regions.
>
> Implementation:
>
> This proposal comes with some freedom and some responsibility:
>
> Each region will have the freedom to translate existing content,
> create original content, and manage their portal pages for their
> community. An opensolairs.org template will be provided so that the
> site's international portals have a common look/feel and a direct tie
> to the main site. This tie is important because the language portals
> will be hosted on opensolaris.org infrastructure, we'd like to
> maintain some consistency among the portals, and website data will be
> collected to demonstrate results.
>
> Also, we'd like for each region to have a leader responsible for
> communicating on website-discuss to develop relationships with the
> website team and to be aware of major content updates, bug fixes, down
> time, etc. Each region can choose a leader and translate and write
> content any way they want, of course. So, if there are 10
> country/language portals, then there will be 10 country/language
> portal leaders managing their portals but also communicating on
> website-discuss to address any issues. Also, although we want to
> encourage flexibility and the creation of local content, we will be
> suggesting that certain pages on the site be translated directly or
> pointed to so that important information about the project remains
> consistent. The number of these pages will be kept to a minimum,
> however, and shouldn't hinder the overall effort. And of course we
> realize that different regions will make different choices as to how
> much of the main site to translate.
>
> The First Round of Country Portals for Consideration:
>
> * Brazil br.opensolaris.org
> * China cn.opensolaris.org
> * Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
> * France fr.opensolaris.org
> * Germany de.opensolaris.org
> * Italy it.opensolaris.org
> * Japan jp.opensolaris.org
> * Russia ru.opensolaris.org
> * Spain es.opensolaris.org
>
> This program will not be rolled out in totality all at one time. It
> will grow organically starting with anyone who wants to participate
> first. In other words, if we have 10 countries we'd like to start with
> (such as in the list above) but people only willing to participate in,
> say, three of those countries, then that's fine. Those three can go
> right along, and over time others can engage. The reason for this is
> simple -- we want to start small and work out any issues that come up,
> and we don't want any lack of interest in one region holding back the
> other regions. Also, we want to keep centralized management to a
> minimum and engage community members as much as possible at the local
> level. However, we also encourage each local leader to support the
> overall goal -- which is to grow the entire OpenSolaris community and
> maintain a quality website.
>
> So, if members of this community are interested in participating,
> respond to this mail with your questions and ideas. If you are
> interesting in doing some translations, let us know. If you are
> interested in leading a region, let us know. If you have additional
> suggestions or concerns, let us know. We'd like to get a conversation
> going to address the issues and get some portals up.
>
> Jim
> --
> Jim Grisanzio, Engineering Community Manager, OpenSolaris
> http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ | http://opensolaris.org/os/
> _______________________________________________
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
opensolaris.org
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Fumihiko Iwabuchi - Tokyo S/W Center wrote On 10/13/06 13:36,:
> Hi Jim,
>
> It's a great proposal for non-English region's community and I'm glad to
> see
> that several community members have already agreed with the proposal and
> raised a
> hand to contribution in each language.
Excellent. Welcome. :) This will help me in Japan greatly!
> I'm a member of Globalization(G11N) team of Sun located in Japan. I'd
> like to
> contribute to Japan's portal site. I just want to share the current
> information in Japanese
> on OpenSolaris.org (OS.o) which Higuchi-san mainly has lead the
> initiation, translation,
> uploading, announcement and so on.
>
> Japan Community (under Community: User Groups)
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/nsug/
> That page contains Japanese translations of Project Overview, FAQ
> Center, Nevada
> Community, OpenSolaris Developer's Reference Guide of English links
> below.
> http://opensolaris.org/os/about/
> http://opensolaris.org/os/about/faq/
> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/
> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/devref_toc/
> It also includes the link to Murayama-san's NIC driver's page.
yes, I'm aware of these pages within the user group community. Very
nice. But this is perhaps an example of where Young and I are probably
mis-understanding each other. These translations are difficult to find
since they are within a specific user group, which is within the user
group community, which is within the meta OpenSolaris community space
that has 40 other communities around it all in English with English
menus, etc. If these pages were all bumped up to the top level domain in
the structure of the main site and everything was in Japanese -- even
the icons text and menus -- then the site itself would appear to be
translated into Japanese. And that's what I'm looking for with this
proposal. I don't want to see any English on the Japanese (or Chinese,
Korean, etc) front page portals at all. The more deeply things are
translated the better.
Also, just so you are aware, many of these pages have been updated since
the translations took place. Especially the FAQ. In the future, when the
portals are implemented, any of the main pages on the site that are
updated we'll have to post reminder notes to website-discuss so all the
portal leaders are aware of updates and can update their translations.
This doesn't happen very often, though.
> Japanese Language Group:
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/int_localization/community_structure/ja_group/
>
> This is mainly for Japanese languages related topics, like locale,
> messages, input methods,
> fonts, printing in Japanese, specific issues on Japanese environment.
> There is an introduction of the mail-alias
> "g11n-ja-discuss at opensolaris dot org" on it.
> I have read several threads in Japanese, i.e. iconv transformation
> table, corrupted Japanese
> (Mojibake) on Flashplayer, Japanese printing filter (mp...),
> U+301C(wave dash) vs. U+FF5E
> (fullwidth tilda) and I think these discussion is very useful to
> Japanese community.
> Regarding the source code from G11N, the message tarball is available
> at this point.
> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/g11n/downloads/current/
> G11N team has been working for delivering more source codes, like
> copyright check and is
> going to move the source code to OS.o community.
>
> I believe that the portal to non-English regions (like
> jp.opensolaris.org) is very important
> and very easy for community member to access even for the 1st visitor.
> For instance, it was
> very hard to me to reach to Japan Community from the top of
> opensolaris.org without any
> information of the exact URL, when I just heard that there was
> Japanese pages on OS.o.
> The path to it may be Portal -> User Groups -> Japan Community.
Agree.
> In additon, it's good to use OS.o web infrastructure for those portal,
> since we don't have to
> set up the web site for that purpose of the portal outside. The
> infrastructure seems to handle
> multi-language. It also provides the template, so I think it will help
> to save the time.
Yes. I'd like for the "templates" to be as simple as blog templates, so
all you have to do is worry about the content. I'll get some more info
about the templates shortly.
> At this point, the following page has two-layered left-side frame
> (original English + Japanese)
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/nsug/onnv/devref_toc/
>
> I hope this will be improved, so that people can see it in the browser
> easily.
Yes. I suggest that all these pages be removed from the user group
community and placed within your new portal. Then we can use the user
group space for a new Japanese User Group. :)
Jim
>
> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>
>> Hello, Internationalization & Localization Community.
>>
>> Below is a proposal that the OpenSolaris team at Sun is implementing
>> on opensolaris.org: Language/Country Portals for the OpenSolaris
>> Community. We'd like to engage this community in this effort because
>> you have expertise and contacts around the world. We welcome your
>> suggestions and participation.
>>
>> Issue:
>>
>> Presently, OpenSolaris is primarily an American community because:
>>
>> (1) the project is based in the U.S.,
>> (2) it's only about a year old,
>> (3) the majority of content is in English, and
>> (4) the majority of the participants speak English.
>>
>> Also, website statistics demonstrate that this trend is not changing
>> very much. So, growing the OpenSolaris community into non-English
>> regions (in both emerging markets and mature markets) will be
>> difficult without the ability to communicate in multiple languages.
>> Although the site's lists support multi language conversations, the
>> content on the site itself is basically English. While many developers
>> know enough English to participate in technical conversations, this
>> isn't true for the majority of developers we'd like to reach out to.
>> And even many of these English-speaking developers would prefer to
>> engage in their own language.
>>
>> Goal:
>>
>> To offer the OpenSolaris community the ability to build local
>> language/country portals onto opensolaris.org within top level domains
>> to increase community participation in non-English speaking regions.
>>
>> Implementation:
>>
>> This proposal comes with some freedom and some responsibility:
>>
>> Each region will have the freedom to translate existing content,
>> create original content, and manage their portal pages for their
>> community. An opensolairs.org template will be provided so that the
>> site's international portals have a common look/feel and a direct tie
>> to the main site. This tie is important because the language portals
>> will be hosted on opensolaris.org infrastructure, we'd like to
>> maintain some consistency among the portals, and website data will be
>> collected to demonstrate results.
>>
>> Also, we'd like for each region to have a leader responsible for
>> communicating on website-discuss to develop relationships with the
>> website team and to be aware of major content updates, bug fixes, down
>> time, etc. Each region can choose a leader and translate and write
>> content any way they want, of course. So, if there are 10
>> country/language portals, then there will be 10 country/language
>> portal leaders managing their portals but also communicating on
>> website-discuss to address any issues. Also, although we want to
>> encourage flexibility and the creation of local content, we will be
>> suggesting that certain pages on the site be translated directly or
>> pointed to so that important information about the project remains
>> consistent. The number of these pages will be kept to a minimum,
>> however, and shouldn't hinder the overall effort. And of course we
>> realize that different regions will make different choices as to how
>> much of the main site to translate.
>>
>> The First Round of Country Portals for Consideration:
>>
>> * Brazil br.opensolaris.org
>> * China cn.opensolaris.org
>> * Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
>> * France fr.opensolaris.org
>> * Germany de.opensolaris.org
>> * Italy it.opensolaris.org
>> * Japan jp.opensolaris.org
>> * Russia ru.opensolaris.org
>> * Spain es.opensolaris.org
>>
>> This program will not be rolled out in totality all at one time. It
>> will grow organically starting with anyone who wants to participate
>> first. In other words, if we have 10 countries we'd like to start with
>> (such as in the list above) but people only willing to participate in,
>> say, three of those countries, then that's fine. Those three can go
>> right along, and over time others can engage. The reason for this is
>> simple -- we want to start small and work out any issues that come up,
>> and we don't want any lack of interest in one region holding back the
>> other regions. Also, we want to keep centralized management to a
>> minimum and engage community members as much as possible at the local
>> level. However, we also encourage each local leader to support the
>> overall goal -- which is to grow the entire OpenSolaris community and
>> maintain a quality website.
>>
>> So, if members of this community are interested in participating,
>> respond to this mail with your questions and ideas. If you are
>> interesting in doing some translations, let us know. If you are
>> interested in leading a region, let us know. If you have additional
>> suggestions or concerns, let us know. We'd like to get a conversation
>> going to address the issues and get some portals up.
>>
>> Jim
>> --
>> Jim Grisanzio, Engineering Community Manager, OpenSolaris
>> http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/ | http://opensolaris.org/os/
>> _______________________________________________
>> i18n-discuss mailing list
>> i18n-discuss at opensolaris dot org
>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n-discuss
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for opensolaris.org
Posted:
Oct 16, 2006 2:35 AM
in response to: jimgris
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[...]
> The First Round of Country Portals for Consideration:
>
> * Brazil br.opensolaris.org
> * China cn.opensolaris.org
> * Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
> * France fr.opensolaris.org
> * Germany de.opensolaris.org
> * Italy it.opensolaris.org
> * Japan jp.opensolaris.org
> * Russia ru.opensolaris.org
> * Spain es.opensolaris.org
[...]
Isn't there a way where with a single site, a browser can provide an
ordered list of preferred locales? http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-lang-priorities
discusses this, I think.
Also, what about leveraging situations where the same language (give
or take tolerable differences in dialect) is used in multiple countries?
Would you really want sites eventually for German specific to Germany,
Swiss German areas, northern Italian German-speaking areas, etc?
Similarly for many other languages,too...
I would think the Accept-Language: mechanism would be helpful there too;
one could list a number of values in order, and get the most preferred that
was available at the time; if later, something higher on one's list was created,
one would get that automatically.
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
opensolaris.org
Posted:
Oct 18, 2006 9:56 PM
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Hello, everyone.
Thank you so much for all the great feedback on this. I've also received
additional feedback and ideas from some colleagues here at Sun. So, I'm
going to take the opportunity over the weekend to update the outline a
bit to clarify some areas, and then we'll get going with some portals.
I'll also have a better sense next week about timing and just how
quickly we can roll some of these out.
Best,
Jim
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals fo
opensolaris.org
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Hi all, hello Jim,
I'm a bit late to jump in, but I'm interested in the fr.opensolaris.org
part.
If there is none already chosen, I'd like to step in as a leader for
that locale, at least for a start.
Several reasons: first, I can do some translation myself, and also
important IMHO, I'm part of the French-speaking OSUG, so I think I'll be
in a position to find more people interested.
If there is already someone doing the job, please let me know, so I can
get in touch and help in whatever way I can.
Thanks Jim,
Laurent
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals fo
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hey .... excellent! I'll post a proposed leaders page next week when I'm
caught up.
Best,
Jim
Laurent Blume wrote On 11/10/06 06:54,:
> Hi all, hello Jim,
>
> I'm a bit late to jump in, but I'm interested in the fr.opensolaris.org
> part.
>
> If there is none already chosen, I'd like to step in as a leader for
> that locale, at least for a start.
> Several reasons: first, I can do some translation myself, and also
> important IMHO, I'm part of the French-speaking OSUG, so I think I'll be
> in a position to find more people interested.
>
> If there is already someone doing the job, please let me know, so I can
> get in touch and help in whatever way I can.
>
> Thanks Jim,
>
> Laurent
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
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Nov 15, 2006 11:25 AM
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Hello, Internationalization & Localization Community,
Hello Jim,
Hello ALL !!!
First, sorry, my english is very basic & poor.
I was thinking about requesting te opening of a forum or discuss area for the Latin American, particularly and who seak spanish in general, and i found ths forum.
I think that: LA has a particular reality respect to Spain, very different.
In consequence, i believe that it is worth the effort and trouble to open a specify site for the people who lives below of "Rio Grande" (frontier with USA),
Gustavo Reyes
gperezreyes @ correoargentino dot com dot ar
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for
Posted:
Jan 19, 2007 1:08 PM
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Hello there,
Please let us know how we can help do leverage Opensolaris in My country, i've done a lot of stuff but on personal side, and due to "out-of-cash" situation we cannot afford anymore our opensolaris-br.org site :(
So all the good things will be held in my sould and heart :(
some data that i could save regarding opensolaris (and ours efforts) can be reached at http://dimas4u.multiply.com/tag/opensolaris and it is in portuguese... i don't care to be the leader or not, god or not, i just care to leverage this ultra-master-blaster-top-of-mind-respectable OS known in my country, and i got to tell you, is not easy, no budget no interest :(
So here i am begging for help to try to keep this thing open; in brazil we've got a 300 subs once... maybe if we got a place i can "spam" people again saying that we now have (again) another place to stay :(
i believe in my country
i believe in Technology to make a better world
i believe in good Technology as a leverage for professional growth
i believe in groups :)
and as expected, i believe in opensolaris, BUT i cannot take all by myself. IF we have some support maybe we can make it run again.
I was taling to Elizabeth to try to translate some documentation :) let's see...
"If you D-trace IT, THEY will come" (dimas) just kidding....
Dimas.
you can reach me at dimas4u at gmail dot com too.
PS:Sun emp that works with OEM Software Sales.
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Re: Proposal: Language/Country Portals for opensolaris.org
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Hi,
I'am interesting on bo.opensolaris.org, I want to translate it to spanish version, i was looking for spanish version but the es.opensolaris.org is still on english version.
Apart that, we want our country (Bolivia) subdomain version.
Thanks a lot,
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