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Portals Leaders List
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Nov 15, 2006 9:16 PM
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Here are the names of the people who have asserted interest in working
on the various portals. I just picked through the various threads of
conversation we've been having. If I've missed anyone let me know, and
add the names in this thread. Also, if these people listed here are
interested in bringing in additional leaders to their portal project, I
think that's fine. So, if there are no objections, I'll add these names
to the project page space as leaders.
I think we still need to iron out more of the leadership model we intend
to implement. I'll take what I've written already and flush it out a bit
more for discussion
-- Jim
Current Portal Leaders:
Brazil: br.opensolaris.org
Leaders: Thiago Sobral, Pablo Costa
China: cn.opensolaris.org
Leader: Joey Guo
France: fr.opensolaris.org
Leader: Laurent Blume
India: in.opensolaris.org
Leader: Suresh Chandrasekharan
Japan: jp.opensolaris.org
Leader: Fumihiko Iwabuchi
Korea: ko.opensolaris.org
Leader: Jay Lee
Russia: ru.opensolaris.org
Leader: Victor Latushkin
Spain: es.opensolaris.org
Leader: Luis Mayoral
Still Up for Grabs from the original proposed list:
* Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
* Germany de.opensolaris.org
* Italy it.opensolaris.org
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Re: Portals Leaders List
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Nov 16, 2006 8:20 AM
in response to: jimgris
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Hi Jim,
thanks to remember me, will do best I can. One thing, I need to know who is Thiago Sobral. Never saw he here and to work together would be great meet him first.
regards
pablo costa
Plz send to me Thiago Sobral contact email.
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Re: Re: Portals Leaders List
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Nov 16, 2006 11:20 AM
in response to: pablo.co
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Oh, I see what happened. He pinged me off-list and I thought it was
on-list. Sorry. I asked him to chime in here.
Jim
Pablo Costa wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> thanks to remember me, will do best I can. One thing, I need to know who is Thiago Sobral. Never saw he here and to work together would be great meet him first.
>
> regards
> pablo costa
>
> Plz send to me Thiago Sobral contact email.
>
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Re: Re: Portals Leaders List
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Nov 17, 2006 10:51 AM
in response to: jimgris
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Hi all,
First, sorry about all I will write, but I have my own thoughts. Like I said in others threads (i18n/education forum), I dont like opensolaris-br.org members. I made a vow to myself never work with opensolaris-br.org members. Why? Simple, all the members of opensolaris-br.org that I have been meeting would never honor their words. We need support of people who want to engage in this project. If Opensolaris-br.org group join it, I prefer to get out of "br portal project" and go on alone. I just want help people who have intersting in Solaris/OpenSolaris OS. Like I said, if this portal do not grow fast, I belive Opensolaris will never grow up in Brazil, other words, this project is the last shot to Opensolaris in Brazil.
again sorry about my words, but I need to say
regards
pablo costa
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Re: Re: Re: Portals Leaders List
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Nov 19, 2006 8:15 PM
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Pablo Costa wrote On 11/18/06 03:51,:
> Hi all,
>
> First, sorry about all I will write, but I have my own thoughts. Like I said in others threads (i18n/education forum), I dont like opensolaris-br.org members. I made a vow to myself never work with opensolaris-br.org members. Why? Simple, all the members of opensolaris-br.org that I have been meeting would never honor their words. We need support of people who want to engage in this project. If Opensolaris-br.org group join it, I prefer to get out of "br portal project" and go on alone. I just want help people who have intersting of Solaris. Like I said, if this portal do not grow fast, I belive Opensolaris will never grow up in Brazil, other words, this project is the last shot to Opensolaris in Brazil.
>
> again sorry about my words, but I need to say
Hi, Pablo. Well, I think they'd like to be involved just as you'd like
to be involved. And a project like this could help bring people
together, don't you think? I'm new to this community, so I'm not
necessarily aware of all the issues that have gone on before but I think
we can work this out. Let's take it off line and deal with it.
Best,
Jim
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Re: Re: Re: Portals Leaders List
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Nov 20, 2006 12:33 AM
in response to: jimgris
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Hi Jim,
I understand you Jim, but I know what Im saying. I agree with you when you
said the project need many people as possible. We will need all people
work together ,but I also know with opensolaris-br.org we can not do a
good work. Will just wast of time. I cant trust. If Opensolaris-br will
join in br.opensolaris.br project and others projects, I dont wanna join
the project, I will help in other way.
regards
pablo costa
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> Pablo Costa wrote On 11/18/06 03:51,:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> First, sorry about all I will write, but I have my own thoughts. Like I
>> said in others threads (i18n/education forum), I dont like
>> opensolaris-br.org members. I made a vow to myself never work with
>> opensolaris-br.org members. Why? Simple, all the members of
>> opensolaris-br.org that I have been meeting would never honor their
>> words. We need support of people who want to engage in this project. If
>> Opensolaris-br.org group join it, I prefer to get out of "br portal
>> project" and go on alone. I just want help people who have intersting
>> of Solaris. Like I said, if this portal do not grow fast, I belive
>> Opensolaris will never grow up in Brazil, other words, this project is
>> the last shot to Opensolaris in Brazil.
>>
>> again sorry about my words, but I need to say
>
>
> Hi, Pablo. Well, I think they'd like to be involved just as you'd like
> to be involved. And a project like this could help bring people
> together, don't you think? I'm new to this community, so I'm not
> necessarily aware of all the issues that have gone on before but I think
> we can work this out. Let's take it off line and deal with it.
>
> Best,
>
> Jim
>
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Re: Re: Re: Portals Leaders List
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Nov 20, 2006 1:06 AM
in response to: pablo.co
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Ok, let's take this issue off-list at this point since it doesn't
involve the others. I'm sending private mail to all involved right now
to see if we can work this out.
Jim
Pablo Costa wrote On 11/20/06 17:33,:
> Hi Jim,
>
> I understand you Jim, but I know what Im saying. I agree with you when you
> said the project need many people as possible. We will need all people
> work together ,but I also know with opensolaris-br.org we can not do a
> good work. Will just wast of time. I cant trust. If Opensolaris-br will
> join in br.opensolaris.br project and others projects, I dont wanna join
> the project, I will help in other way.
>
>
> regards
> pablo costa
>
>>Pablo Costa wrote On 11/18/06 03:51,:
>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>First, sorry about all I will write, but I have my own thoughts. Like I
>>>said in others threads (i18n/education forum), I dont like
>>>opensolaris-br.org members. I made a vow to myself never work with
>>>opensolaris-br.org members. Why? Simple, all the members of
>>>opensolaris-br.org that I have been meeting would never honor their
>>>words. We need support of people who want to engage in this project. If
>>>Opensolaris-br.org group join it, I prefer to get out of "br portal
>>>project" and go on alone. I just want help people who have intersting
>>>of Solaris. Like I said, if this portal do not grow fast, I belive
>>>Opensolaris will never grow up in Brazil, other words, this project is
>>>the last shot to Opensolaris in Brazil.
>>>
>>>again sorry about my words, but I need to say
>>
>>
>>Hi, Pablo. Well, I think they'd like to be involved just as you'd like
>>to be involved. And a project like this could help bring people
>>together, don't you think? I'm new to this community, so I'm not
>>necessarily aware of all the issues that have gone on before but I think
>>we can work this out. Let's take it off line and deal with it.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Jim
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Re: Re: Portals Leaders List
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Nov 20, 2006 1:28 AM
in response to: jimgris
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sorry, youre right
regards
pablo costa
> Ok, let's take this issue off-list at this point since it doesn't
> involve the others. I'm sending private mail to all involved right now
> to see if we can work this out.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
> Pablo Costa wrote On 11/20/06 17:33,:
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> I understand you Jim, but I know what Im saying. I agree with you when
>> you
>> said the project need many people as possible. We will need all people
>> work together ,but I also know with opensolaris-br.org we can not do a
>> good work. Will just wast of time. I cant trust. If Opensolaris-br will
>> join in br.opensolaris.br project and others projects, I dont wanna join
>> the project, I will help in other way.
>>
>>
>> regards
>> pablo costa
>>
>>>Pablo Costa wrote On 11/18/06 03:51,:
>>>
>>>>Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>First, sorry about all I will write, but I have my own thoughts. Like I
>>>>said in others threads (i18n/education forum), I dont like
>>>>opensolaris-br.org members. I made a vow to myself never work with
>>>>opensolaris-br.org members. Why? Simple, all the members of
>>>>opensolaris-br.org that I have been meeting would never honor their
>>>>words. We need support of people who want to engage in this project. If
>>>>Opensolaris-br.org group join it, I prefer to get out of "br portal
>>>>project" and go on alone. I just want help people who have intersting
>>>>of Solaris. Like I said, if this portal do not grow fast, I belive
>>>>Opensolaris will never grow up in Brazil, other words, this project is
>>>>the last shot to Opensolaris in Brazil.
>>>>
>>>>again sorry about my words, but I need to say
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi, Pablo. Well, I think they'd like to be involved just as you'd like
>>>to be involved. And a project like this could help bring people
>>>together, don't you think? I'm new to this community, so I'm not
>>>necessarily aware of all the issues that have gone on before but I think
>>>we can work this out. Let's take it off line and deal with it.
>>>
>>>Best,
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: Portals Leaders List
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Nov 17, 2006 2:02 AM
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Hi Jim,
I just had a chat with my folks and we're really into managing the Polish portal aka pl.opensolaris.org, will you please set what we need.
Thks,
Michal
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Re: Re: Portals Leaders List
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Nov 19, 2006 8:07 PM
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Cool. Love to have a Polish portal. I'll update the list.
Jim
Michal Nowak wrote On 11/17/06 19:02,:
> Hi Jim,
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> I just had a chat with my folks and we're really into managing the Polish portal aka pl.opensolaris.org, will you please set what we need.
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> Thks,
> Michal
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Re: Portals Leaders List
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Nov 17, 2006 2:26 AM
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Hello.
Can cs.opensolaris.org be also added ?
I will try to find and coordinate some czosug peoples.
Thanks, Martin Cerveny
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Re: Re: Portals Leaders List
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Hi, Martin. I'd love to have a Czech portal. I'll put you on the list.
Jim
Martin Cerveny wrote On 11/17/06 19:26,:
> Hello.
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> Can cs.opensolaris.org be also added ?
> I will try to find and coordinate some czosug peoples.
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> Thanks, Martin Cerveny
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Re: Portals Leaders List
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Dec 4, 2006 7:43 PM
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Here's an updated list of the current portals leaders:
Current Proposed OpenSolaris Portal Leaders:
Brazil: br.opensolaris.org
Leaders: Thiago Sobral, Pablo Costa, Dimas Oliveira
China: cn.opensolaris.org
Leader: Joey Guo
Czech: cs.opensolaris.org
Leader: Martin Cerveny
France: fr.opensolaris.org
Leader: Laurent Blume
India: in.opensolaris.org
Leader: Suresh Chandrasekharan
Japan: jp.opensolaris.org
Leader: Fumihiko Iwabuchi
Korea: ko.opensolaris.org
Leader: Jay Lee
Poland: pl.opensolaris.org
Leader: Michal Nowak
Russia: ru.opensolaris.org
Leader: Victor Latushkin
Spain: es.opensolaris.org
Leader: Luis Mayoral
No leaders assigned for these countries from the original list:
Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
Germany de.opensolaris.org
Italy it.opensolaris.org
Any others interested in participating? Any additional country portals?
I have some additional information regarding the portals. We are
currently testing one portal and will offer a portal to each country
(above) soon -- hopefully in a couple of weeks. To start, each portal
will actually be a project on opensolaris.org and will live within that
project space. However the project spaces for the portals has been
altered to look like the front page of opensolaris.org. The portal URLs
will simply act as redirects to the project spaces during this initial
phase. More longer term: we are evaluating new content management
systems that will support a fully internationalized site, so for now the
portals will act as the beginning phase to give people access to content
to get started on translations.
Jim
Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> Here are the names of the people who have asserted interest in working
> on the various portals. I just picked through the various threads of
> conversation we've been having. If I've missed anyone let me know, and
> add the names in this thread. Also, if these people listed here are
> interested in bringing in additional leaders to their portal project, I
> think that's fine. So, if there are no objections, I'll add these names
> to the project page space as leaders.
>
> I think we still need to iron out more of the leadership model we intend
> to implement. I'll take what I've written already and flush it out a bit
> more for discussion
>
> -- Jim
>
>
> Current Portal Leaders:
>
> Brazil: br.opensolaris.org
> Leaders: Thiago Sobral, Pablo Costa
>
> China: cn.opensolaris.org
> Leader: Joey Guo
>
> France: fr.opensolaris.org
> Leader: Laurent Blume
>
> India: in.opensolaris.org
> Leader: Suresh Chandrasekharan
>
> Japan: jp.opensolaris.org
> Leader: Fumihiko Iwabuchi
>
> Korea: ko.opensolaris.org
> Leader: Jay Lee
>
> Russia: ru.opensolaris.org
> Leader: Victor Latushkin
>
> Spain: es.opensolaris.org
> Leader: Luis Mayoral
>
>
> Still Up for Grabs from the original proposed list:
>
> * Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
> * Germany de.opensolaris.org
> * Italy it.opensolaris.org
>
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Re: Portals Leaders List
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This is great and congratulations!
BTW, most of the portal domain names start with ISO 3166 based
two-letter territory codes but some (cs and ko not CZ and KR) are
ISO 639 based two-letter language codes. Were they intentional?
Ienup
Jim Grisanzio wrote at 12/04/06 19:43:
> Here's an updated list of the current portals leaders:
>
>
> Current Proposed OpenSolaris Portal Leaders:
>
> Brazil: br.opensolaris.org
> Leaders: Thiago Sobral, Pablo Costa, Dimas Oliveira
>
> China: cn.opensolaris.org
> Leader: Joey Guo
>
> Czech: cs.opensolaris.org
> Leader: Martin Cerveny
>
> France: fr.opensolaris.org
> Leader: Laurent Blume
>
> India: in.opensolaris.org
> Leader: Suresh Chandrasekharan
>
> Japan: jp.opensolaris.org
> Leader: Fumihiko Iwabuchi
>
> Korea: ko.opensolaris.org
> Leader: Jay Lee
>
> Poland: pl.opensolaris.org
> Leader: Michal Nowak
>
> Russia: ru.opensolaris.org
> Leader: Victor Latushkin
>
> Spain: es.opensolaris.org
> Leader: Luis Mayoral
>
>
> No leaders assigned for these countries from the original list:
>
> Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
> Germany de.opensolaris.org
> Italy it.opensolaris.org
>
>
> Any others interested in participating? Any additional country portals?
>
> I have some additional information regarding the portals. We are
> currently testing one portal and will offer a portal to each country
> (above) soon -- hopefully in a couple of weeks. To start, each portal
> will actually be a project on opensolaris.org and will live within that
> project space. However the project spaces for the portals has been
> altered to look like the front page of opensolaris.org. The portal URLs
> will simply act as redirects to the project spaces during this initial
> phase. More longer term: we are evaluating new content management
> systems that will support a fully internationalized site, so for now the
> portals will act as the beginning phase to give people access to content
> to get started on translations.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>
>> Here are the names of the people who have asserted interest in working
>> on the various portals. I just picked through the various threads of
>> conversation we've been having. If I've missed anyone let me know, and
>> add the names in this thread. Also, if these people listed here are
>> interested in bringing in additional leaders to their portal project,
>> I think that's fine. So, if there are no objections, I'll add these
>> names to the project page space as leaders.
>>
>> I think we still need to iron out more of the leadership model we
>> intend to implement. I'll take what I've written already and flush it
>> out a bit more for discussion
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
>>
>> Current Portal Leaders:
>>
>> Brazil: br.opensolaris.org
>> Leaders: Thiago Sobral, Pablo Costa
>>
>> China: cn.opensolaris.org
>> Leader: Joey Guo
>>
>> France: fr.opensolaris.org
>> Leader: Laurent Blume
>>
>> India: in.opensolaris.org
>> Leader: Suresh Chandrasekharan
>>
>> Japan: jp.opensolaris.org
>> Leader: Fumihiko Iwabuchi
>>
>> Korea: ko.opensolaris.org
>> Leader: Jay Lee
>>
>> Russia: ru.opensolaris.org
>> Leader: Victor Latushkin
>>
>> Spain: es.opensolaris.org
>> Leader: Luis Mayoral
>>
>>
>> Still Up for Grabs from the original proposed list:
>>
>> * Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
>> * Germany de.opensolaris.org
>> * Italy it.opensolaris.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> i18n-discuss at opensolaris dot org
>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n-discuss
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Re: Portals Leaders List
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/cc'ing Derek Cicero on this for his opinion/ ...
Ienup Sung wrote On 12/05/06 12:50,:
> This is great and congratulations!
>
> BTW, most of the portal domain names start with ISO 3166 based
> two-letter territory codes but some (cs and ko not CZ and KR) are
> ISO 639 based two-letter language codes. Were they intentional?
Hi ...
Do they all need to be the same? If so, we can correct it. Initially, we
started with only country-specific names, but some people wanted
language-specific names, and so I've been trying to satisfy as many
people as possible. However, if all the address need to be based on one
standard, we should address this. Perhaps Derek can give some advice
from the website perspective.
Jim
> Jim Grisanzio wrote at 12/04/06 19:43:
>
>> Here's an updated list of the current portals leaders:
>>
>>
>> Current Proposed OpenSolaris Portal Leaders:
>>
>> Brazil: br.opensolaris.org
>> Leaders: Thiago Sobral, Pablo Costa, Dimas Oliveira
>>
>> China: cn.opensolaris.org
>> Leader: Joey Guo
>>
>> Czech: cs.opensolaris.org
>> Leader: Martin Cerveny
>>
>> France: fr.opensolaris.org
>> Leader: Laurent Blume
>>
>> India: in.opensolaris.org
>> Leader: Suresh Chandrasekharan
>>
>> Japan: jp.opensolaris.org
>> Leader: Fumihiko Iwabuchi
>>
>> Korea: ko.opensolaris.org
>> Leader: Jay Lee
>>
>> Poland: pl.opensolaris.org
>> Leader: Michal Nowak
>>
>> Russia: ru.opensolaris.org
>> Leader: Victor Latushkin
>>
>> Spain: es.opensolaris.org
>> Leader: Luis Mayoral
>>
>>
>> No leaders assigned for these countries from the original list:
>>
>> Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
>> Germany de.opensolaris.org
>> Italy it.opensolaris.org
>>
>>
>> Any others interested in participating? Any additional country portals?
>>
>> I have some additional information regarding the portals. We are
>> currently testing one portal and will offer a portal to each country
>> (above) soon -- hopefully in a couple of weeks. To start, each portal
>> will actually be a project on opensolaris.org and will live within
>> that project space. However the project spaces for the portals has
>> been altered to look like the front page of opensolaris.org. The
>> portal URLs will simply act as redirects to the project spaces during
>> this initial phase. More longer term: we are evaluating new content
>> management systems that will support a fully internationalized site,
>> so for now the portals will act as the beginning phase to give people
>> access to content to get started on translations.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>>
>>> Here are the names of the people who have asserted interest in
>>> working on the various portals. I just picked through the various
>>> threads of conversation we've been having. If I've missed anyone let
>>> me know, and add the names in this thread. Also, if these people
>>> listed here are interested in bringing in additional leaders to their
>>> portal project, I think that's fine. So, if there are no objections,
>>> I'll add these names to the project page space as leaders.
>>>
>>> I think we still need to iron out more of the leadership model we
>>> intend to implement. I'll take what I've written already and flush it
>>> out a bit more for discussion
>>>
>>> -- Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> Current Portal Leaders:
>>>
>>> Brazil: br.opensolaris.org
>>> Leaders: Thiago Sobral, Pablo Costa
>>>
>>> China: cn.opensolaris.org
>>> Leader: Joey Guo
>>>
>>> France: fr.opensolaris.org
>>> Leader: Laurent Blume
>>>
>>> India: in.opensolaris.org
>>> Leader: Suresh Chandrasekharan
>>>
>>> Japan: jp.opensolaris.org
>>> Leader: Fumihiko Iwabuchi
>>>
>>> Korea: ko.opensolaris.org
>>> Leader: Jay Lee
>>>
>>> Russia: ru.opensolaris.org
>>> Leader: Victor Latushkin
>>>
>>> Spain: es.opensolaris.org
>>> Leader: Luis Mayoral
>>>
>>>
>>> Still Up for Grabs from the original proposed list:
>>>
>>> * Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
>>> * Germany de.opensolaris.org
>>> * Italy it.opensolaris.org
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> i18n-discuss mailing list
>>> i18n-discuss at opensolaris dot org
>>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n-discuss
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Portals Leaders List
Posted:
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in response to: jimgris
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I don't have any strong opinion on this and this is something each
portal folks/owners should decide for their portals but people could be
confused if they know about this language/territory codes as I would try to,
for instance, access cz.opensolaris.org or kr.opensolaris.org if I see
the pattern of many other territory codes being used.
Ienup
Jim Grisanzio wrote at 12/04/06 20:03:
> /cc'ing Derek Cicero on this for his opinion/ ...
>
> Ienup Sung wrote On 12/05/06 12:50,:
>
>> This is great and congratulations!
>>
>> BTW, most of the portal domain names start with ISO 3166 based
>> two-letter territory codes but some (cs and ko not CZ and KR) are
>> ISO 639 based two-letter language codes. Were they intentional?
>
>
>
> Hi ...
>
> Do they all need to be the same? If so, we can correct it. Initially, we
> started with only country-specific names, but some people wanted
> language-specific names, and so I've been trying to satisfy as many
> people as possible. However, if all the address need to be based on one
> standard, we should address this. Perhaps Derek can give some advice
> from the website perspective.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>> Jim Grisanzio wrote at 12/04/06 19:43:
>>
>>> Here's an updated list of the current portals leaders:
>>>
>>>
>>> Current Proposed OpenSolaris Portal Leaders:
>>>
>>> Brazil: br.opensolaris.org
>>> Leaders: Thiago Sobral, Pablo Costa, Dimas Oliveira
>>>
>>> China: cn.opensolaris.org
>>> Leader: Joey Guo
>>>
>>> Czech: cs.opensolaris.org
>>> Leader: Martin Cerveny
>>>
>>> France: fr.opensolaris.org
>>> Leader: Laurent Blume
>>>
>>> India: in.opensolaris.org
>>> Leader: Suresh Chandrasekharan
>>>
>>> Japan: jp.opensolaris.org
>>> Leader: Fumihiko Iwabuchi
>>>
>>> Korea: ko.opensolaris.org
>>> Leader: Jay Lee
>>>
>>> Poland: pl.opensolaris.org
>>> Leader: Michal Nowak
>>>
>>> Russia: ru.opensolaris.org
>>> Leader: Victor Latushkin
>>>
>>> Spain: es.opensolaris.org
>>> Leader: Luis Mayoral
>>>
>>>
>>> No leaders assigned for these countries from the original list:
>>>
>>> Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
>>> Germany de.opensolaris.org
>>> Italy it.opensolaris.org
>>>
>>>
>>> Any others interested in participating? Any additional country portals?
>>>
>>> I have some additional information regarding the portals. We are
>>> currently testing one portal and will offer a portal to each country
>>> (above) soon -- hopefully in a couple of weeks. To start, each portal
>>> will actually be a project on opensolaris.org and will live within
>>> that project space. However the project spaces for the portals has
>>> been altered to look like the front page of opensolaris.org. The
>>> portal URLs will simply act as redirects to the project spaces during
>>> this initial phase. More longer term: we are evaluating new content
>>> management systems that will support a fully internationalized site,
>>> so for now the portals will act as the beginning phase to give people
>>> access to content to get started on translations.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here are the names of the people who have asserted interest in
>>>> working on the various portals. I just picked through the various
>>>> threads of conversation we've been having. If I've missed anyone let
>>>> me know, and add the names in this thread. Also, if these people
>>>> listed here are interested in bringing in additional leaders to
>>>> their portal project, I think that's fine. So, if there are no
>>>> objections, I'll add these names to the project page space as leaders.
>>>>
>>>> I think we still need to iron out more of the leadership model we
>>>> intend to implement. I'll take what I've written already and flush
>>>> it out a bit more for discussion
>>>>
>>>> -- Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Current Portal Leaders:
>>>>
>>>> Brazil: br.opensolaris.org
>>>> Leaders: Thiago Sobral, Pablo Costa
>>>>
>>>> China: cn.opensolaris.org
>>>> Leader: Joey Guo
>>>>
>>>> France: fr.opensolaris.org
>>>> Leader: Laurent Blume
>>>>
>>>> India: in.opensolaris.org
>>>> Leader: Suresh Chandrasekharan
>>>>
>>>> Japan: jp.opensolaris.org
>>>> Leader: Fumihiko Iwabuchi
>>>>
>>>> Korea: ko.opensolaris.org
>>>> Leader: Jay Lee
>>>>
>>>> Russia: ru.opensolaris.org
>>>> Leader: Victor Latushkin
>>>>
>>>> Spain: es.opensolaris.org
>>>> Leader: Luis Mayoral
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Still Up for Grabs from the original proposed list:
>>>>
>>>> * Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
>>>> * Germany de.opensolaris.org
>>>> * Italy it.opensolaris.org
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> i18n-discuss mailing list
>>>> i18n-discuss at opensolaris dot org
>>>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n-discuss
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> i18n-discuss mailing list
>>> i18n-discuss at opensolaris dot org
>>> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n-discuss
>>
>>
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Re: Portals Leaders List
Posted:
Dec 6, 2006 7:06 PM
in response to: is1
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Ienup Sung wrote On 12/05/06 14:50,:
> I don't have any strong opinion on this and this is something each
> portal folks/owners should decide for their portals but people could be
> confused if they know about this language/territory codes as I would try
> to,
> for instance, access cz.opensolaris.org or kr.opensolaris.org if I see
> the pattern of many other territory codes being used.
I don't have a strong opinion on going with countries only or languages
only as well. In fact, at this point, when I listen to arguments for
each position, I see value in each position. So, that's why I like the
idea of mixing them -- as long as the standards don't conflict and as
long as there are no technical conflicts with the site as the portals
grow. And both of those questions are unanswered right now, so we really
can't move forward until they are. I think we need to have this
conversation on this list so this community can decide what the
consensus is since we'll be living in this all the time. Then we can
talk to the website team to determine what the technical issues are and
if they have any dependencies for us to consider.
So, Countries? Languages? Mixed? And reasons.
Sound good?
Jim
> Jim Grisanzio wrote at 12/04/06 20:03:
>
>> /cc'ing Derek Cicero on this for his opinion/ ...
>>
>> Ienup Sung wrote On 12/05/06 12:50,:
>>
>>> This is great and congratulations!
>>>
>>> BTW, most of the portal domain names start with ISO 3166 based
>>> two-letter territory codes but some (cs and ko not CZ and KR) are
>>> ISO 639 based two-letter language codes. Were they intentional?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi ...
>>
>> Do they all need to be the same? If so, we can correct it. Initially,
>> we started with only country-specific names, but some people wanted
>> language-specific names, and so I've been trying to satisfy as many
>> people as possible. However, if all the address need to be based on
>> one standard, we should address this. Perhaps Derek can give some
>> advice from the website perspective.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Jim Grisanzio wrote at 12/04/06 19:43:
>>>
>>>> Here's an updated list of the current portals leaders:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Current Proposed OpenSolaris Portal Leaders:
>>>>
>>>> Brazil: br.opensolaris.org
>>>> Leaders: Thiago Sobral, Pablo Costa, Dimas Oliveira
>>>>
>>>> China: cn.opensolaris.org
>>>> Leader: Joey Guo
>>>>
>>>> Czech: cs.opensolaris.org
>>>> Leader: Martin Cerveny
>>>>
>>>> France: fr.opensolaris.org
>>>> Leader: Laurent Blume
>>>>
>>>> India: in.opensolaris.org
>>>> Leader: Suresh Chandrasekharan
>>>>
>>>> Japan: jp.opensolaris.org
>>>> Leader: Fumihiko Iwabuchi
>>>>
>>>> Korea: ko.opensolaris.org
>>>> Leader: Jay Lee
>>>>
>>>> Poland: pl.opensolaris.org
>>>> Leader: Michal Nowak
>>>>
>>>> Russia: ru.opensolaris.org
>>>> Leader: Victor Latushkin
>>>>
>>>> Spain: es.opensolaris.org
>>>> Leader: Luis Mayoral
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No leaders assigned for these countries from the original list:
>>>>
>>>> Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
>>>> Germany de.opensolaris.org
>>>> Italy it.opensolaris.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any others interested in participating? Any additional country portals?
>>>>
>>>> I have some additional information regarding the portals. We are
>>>> currently testing one portal and will offer a portal to each country
>>>> (above) soon -- hopefully in a couple of weeks. To start, each
>>>> portal will actually be a project on opensolaris.org and will live
>>>> within that project space. However the project spaces for the
>>>> portals has been altered to look like the front page of
>>>> opensolaris.org. The portal URLs will simply act as redirects to the
>>>> project spaces during this initial phase. More longer term: we are
>>>> evaluating new content management systems that will support a fully
>>>> internationalized site, so for now the portals will act as the
>>>> beginning phase to give people access to content to get started on
>>>> translations.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here are the names of the people who have asserted interest in
>>>>> working on the various portals. I just picked through the various
>>>>> threads of conversation we've been having. If I've missed anyone
>>>>> let me know, and add the names in this thread. Also, if these
>>>>> people listed here are interested in bringing in additional leaders
>>>>> to their portal project, I think that's fine. So, if there are no
>>>>> objections, I'll add these names to the project page space as leaders.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we still need to iron out more of the leadership model we
>>>>> intend to implement. I'll take what I've written already and flush
>>>>> it out a bit more for discussion
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Current Portal Leaders:
>>>>>
>>>>> Brazil: br.opensolaris.org
>>>>> Leaders: Thiago Sobral, Pablo Costa
>>>>>
>>>>> China: cn.opensolaris.org
>>>>> Leader: Joey Guo
>>>>>
>>>>> France: fr.opensolaris.org
>>>>> Leader: Laurent Blume
>>>>>
>>>>> India: in.opensolaris.org
>>>>> Leader: Suresh Chandrasekharan
>>>>>
>>>>> Japan: jp.opensolaris.org
>>>>> Leader: Fumihiko Iwabuchi
>>>>>
>>>>> Korea: ko.opensolaris.org
>>>>> Leader: Jay Lee
>>>>>
>>>>> Russia: ru.opensolaris.org
>>>>> Leader: Victor Latushkin
>>>>>
>>>>> Spain: es.opensolaris.org
>>>>> Leader: Luis Mayoral
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Still Up for Grabs from the original proposed list:
>>>>>
>>>>> * Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
>>>>> * Germany de.opensolaris.org
>>>>> * Italy it.opensolaris.org
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Re: Portals Leaders List
Posted:
Dec 6, 2006 7:14 PM
in response to: jimgris
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Perhaps having aliases for such language code using portals
(and the other way too) might be an idea. Again, I don't have any
strong opinion on this.
Ienup
Jim Grisanzio wrote at 12/06/06 19:06:
>
> Ienup Sung wrote On 12/05/06 14:50,:
>
>> I don't have any strong opinion on this and this is something each
>> portal folks/owners should decide for their portals but people could be
>> confused if they know about this language/territory codes as I would
>> try to,
>> for instance, access cz.opensolaris.org or kr.opensolaris.org if I see
>> the pattern of many other territory codes being used.
>
>
>
> I don't have a strong opinion on going with countries only or languages
> only as well. In fact, at this point, when I listen to arguments for
> each position, I see value in each position. So, that's why I like the
> idea of mixing them -- as long as the standards don't conflict and as
> long as there are no technical conflicts with the site as the portals
> grow. And both of those questions are unanswered right now, so we really
> can't move forward until they are. I think we need to have this
> conversation on this list so this community can decide what the
> consensus is since we'll be living in this all the time. Then we can
> talk to the website team to determine what the technical issues are and
> if they have any dependencies for us to consider.
>
> So, Countries? Languages? Mixed? And reasons.
>
> Sound good?
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>> Jim Grisanzio wrote at 12/04/06 20:03:
>>
>>> /cc'ing Derek Cicero on this for his opinion/ ...
>>>
>>> Ienup Sung wrote On 12/05/06 12:50,:
>>>
>>>> This is great and congratulations!
>>>>
>>>> BTW, most of the portal domain names start with ISO 3166 based
>>>> two-letter territory codes but some (cs and ko not CZ and KR) are
>>>> ISO 639 based two-letter language codes. Were they intentional?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi ...
>>>
>>> Do they all need to be the same? If so, we can correct it. Initially,
>>> we started with only country-specific names, but some people wanted
>>> language-specific names, and so I've been trying to satisfy as many
>>> people as possible. However, if all the address need to be based on
>>> one standard, we should address this. Perhaps Derek can give some
>>> advice from the website perspective.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jim Grisanzio wrote at 12/04/06 19:43:
>>>>
>>>>> Here's an updated list of the current portals leaders:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Current Proposed OpenSolaris Portal Leaders:
>>>>>
>>>>> Brazil: br.opensolaris.org
>>>>> Leaders: Thiago Sobral, Pablo Costa, Dimas Oliveira
>>>>>
>>>>> China: cn.opensolaris.org
>>>>> Leader: Joey Guo
>>>>>
>>>>> Czech: cs.opensolaris.org
>>>>> Leader: Martin Cerveny
>>>>>
>>>>> France: fr.opensolaris.org
>>>>> Leader: Laurent Blume
>>>>>
>>>>> India: in.opensolaris.org
>>>>> Leader: Suresh Chandrasekharan
>>>>>
>>>>> Japan: jp.opensolaris.org
>>>>> Leader: Fumihiko Iwabuchi
>>>>>
>>>>> Korea: ko.opensolaris.org
>>>>> Leader: Jay Lee
>>>>>
>>>>> Poland: pl.opensolaris.org
>>>>> Leader: Michal Nowak
>>>>>
>>>>> Russia: ru.opensolaris.org
>>>>> Leader: Victor Latushkin
>>>>>
>>>>> Spain: es.opensolaris.org
>>>>> Leader: Luis Mayoral
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No leaders assigned for these countries from the original list:
>>>>>
>>>>> Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
>>>>> Germany de.opensolaris.org
>>>>> Italy it.opensolaris.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Any others interested in participating? Any additional country
>>>>> portals?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have some additional information regarding the portals. We are
>>>>> currently testing one portal and will offer a portal to each
>>>>> country (above) soon -- hopefully in a couple of weeks. To start,
>>>>> each portal will actually be a project on opensolaris.org and will
>>>>> live within that project space. However the project spaces for the
>>>>> portals has been altered to look like the front page of
>>>>> opensolaris.org. The portal URLs will simply act as redirects to
>>>>> the project spaces during this initial phase. More longer term: we
>>>>> are evaluating new content management systems that will support a
>>>>> fully internationalized site, so for now the portals will act as
>>>>> the beginning phase to give people access to content to get started
>>>>> on translations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are the names of the people who have asserted interest in
>>>>>> working on the various portals. I just picked through the various
>>>>>> threads of conversation we've been having. If I've missed anyone
>>>>>> let me know, and add the names in this thread. Also, if these
>>>>>> people listed here are interested in bringing in additional
>>>>>> leaders to their portal project, I think that's fine. So, if there
>>>>>> are no objections, I'll add these names to the project page space
>>>>>> as leaders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we still need to iron out more of the leadership model we
>>>>>> intend to implement. I'll take what I've written already and flush
>>>>>> it out a bit more for discussion
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Current Portal Leaders:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brazil: br.opensolaris.org
>>>>>> Leaders: Thiago Sobral, Pablo Costa
>>>>>>
>>>>>> China: cn.opensolaris.org
>>>>>> Leader: Joey Guo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> France: fr.opensolaris.org
>>>>>> Leader: Laurent Blume
>>>>>>
>>>>>> India: in.opensolaris.org
>>>>>> Leader: Suresh Chandrasekharan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Japan: jp.opensolaris.org
>>>>>> Leader: Fumihiko Iwabuchi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Korea: ko.opensolaris.org
>>>>>> Leader: Jay Lee
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Russia: ru.opensolaris.org
>>>>>> Leader: Victor Latushkin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spain: es.opensolaris.org
>>>>>> Leader: Luis Mayoral
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still Up for Grabs from the original proposed list:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Netherlands nl.opensolaris.org
>>>>>> * Germany de.opensolaris.org
>>>>>> * Italy it.opensolaris.org
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Re: Portals Leaders List
Posted:
Dec 6, 2006 10:47 PM
in response to: jimgris
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Hi Jim, Ienup and all,
Let us think again about what the "portal" is.
The portal must be accessible, easy to read, easy to understand, easy to
contribute and easy to communicate each other for OpenSolaris users and
developers to improve OpenSolaris and market it.
The portal should be written in a certain language.
> So, Countries? Languages? Mixed? And reasons.
Mixed? No, I don't think so.
It's confusing and .....
For example, "Mixed" means that both ja.opensolaris.org and
jp.opensolaris.org can exist at the same time.
ja.opensolaris.org is to provide information in Japanese.
jp.opensolaris.org is to provide information for users and developers in
Japan
Now we have, for example, American users and Korean users in Japan.
Would jp.opensolaris.org provide information in Korean, in English and
in Japanese etc.?
If they do, those information duplicates.
Countries? No, I don't think it's a good idea.
For example, think about India.
In what language is india.opensolaris.org written?
Hindi?, Urdu?, Kannada? and more ... :)
Or india.opensolaris.org provides information in all languages spoken in
India?
Language? Yes, I think so. We can be consistent.
I have been working for OpenOffice.org.
For example we added Gascon.
http://development.openoffice.org/releases/2.1.0rc2.html
"Gascon is now a locale that even can be choosen in Calc and as default
language for documents"
:)
What if Gascon users and developers want to join OpenSolaris and set up
their portal?
OpenSolaris is an OS. OpenOffice.org is an Office Suite. They are
different.
But they are OpenSource Software (OSS) Community.
In terms of community management OpenSolaris can learn something from
OpenOffice.org.
Thanks,
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Re: Portals Leaders List
Posted:
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in response to: Hirano Kazunari
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Hi ....
Hirano Kazunari wrote On 12/07/06 15:48,:
> Hi Jim, Ienup and all,
>
> Let us think again about what the "portal" is.
>
> The portal must be accessible, easy to read, easy to understand, easy to
> contribute and easy to communicate each other for OpenSolaris users and
> developers to improve OpenSolaris and market it.
Ok, I agree.
> The portal should be written in a certain language.
>
>> So, Countries? Languages? Mixed? And reasons.
>
>
> Mixed? No, I don't think so.
> It's confusing and .....
> For example, "Mixed" means that both ja.opensolaris.org and
> jp.opensolaris.org can exist at the same time.
yes, this is possible, and yes, it can be confusing.
> ja.opensolaris.org is to provide information in Japanese.
Ok.
> jp.opensolaris.org is to provide information for users and developers in
> Japan
Sure, but in the case of Japan the majority of Japanese people in the
world live in Japan. Can't jp serve both purposes? And if the leaders of
the jp portal don't serve the Japanese people around the world well
enough, what's wrong with someone else, say in San Francisco's
Japantown, starting up ja for a little competition? Can it be confusing?
Sure. But I don't think it has to be a conflict.
> Now we have, for example, American users and Korean users in Japan.
> Would jp.opensolaris.org provide information in Korean, in English and
> in Japanese etc.?
Well ... Americans generally speak English as their first language and
Koreans generally speak Korean and neither system solves this problem.
There would have to be people who are bi-lingual in this case to
mediate. There are painfully few American OpenSolaris developers here in
Japan, but there are probably a few more Koreans, though. So, how does a
language-only based system solve this problem? ja would be just as
difficult for Americans and Koreans in Japan as jp would. Both jp and ja
are for Japanese people, not English-speaking Americans or Koreans. We
can't solve all problems with this, I agree, but we are trying to solve
as many as we can knowing full well that it's not perfect.
> If they do, those information duplicates.
I'm perfectly happy to have information duplicate and fork. You can't
stop it, so why try?
> Countries? No, I don't think it's a good idea.
> For example, think about India.
> In what language is india.opensolaris.org written?
> Hindi?, Urdu?, Kannada? and more ... :)
> Or india.opensolaris.org provides information in all languages spoken in
> India?
Yes, I think India would be a good language-based portal.
> Language? Yes, I think so. We can be consistent.
Consistent, yes, but to the exception of someone who may have a good
argument for a country based portal.
> I have been working for OpenOffice.org.
> For example we added Gascon.
> http://development.openoffice.org/releases/2.1.0rc2.html
> "Gascon is now a locale that even can be choosen in Calc and as default
> language for documents"
> :)
> What if Gascon users and developers want to join OpenSolaris and set up
> their portal?
Cool. I have no clue what that is. :) But, personally speaking, I'd be
happy to engage them. As long as they didn't preclude others from making
their own choices as well. I'll have to look that one up. :)
> OpenSolaris is an OS. OpenOffice.org is an Office Suite. They are
> different.
> But they are OpenSource Software (OSS) Community.
> In terms of community management OpenSolaris can learn something from
> OpenOffice.org.
And thanks for this. OpenOffice has certainly been out there way longer
than we have, so I want to learn from them. Are all of the native
languages on oo.o based on language and none on countries? Also, how do
they handle the infrastructure. Are they all hosted on the same machines
or distributed across the geos?
Thanks,
Jim
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Re: Portals Leaders List
Posted:
Dec 6, 2006 10:48 PM
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Jim Grisanzio wrote:
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> Ienup Sung wrote On 12/05/06 14:50,:
>> I don't have any strong opinion on this and this is something each
>> portal folks/owners should decide for their portals but people could be
>> confused if they know about this language/territory codes as I would
>> try to,
>> for instance, access cz.opensolaris.org or kr.opensolaris.org if I see
>> the pattern of many other territory codes being used.
>
> I don't have a strong opinion on going with countries only or languages
> only as well. In fact, at this point, when I listen to arguments for
> each position, I see value in each position. So, that's why I like the
> idea of mixing them -- as long as the standards don't conflict and as
> long as there are no technical conflicts with the site as the portals
> grow. And both of those questions are unanswered right now, so we really
> can't move forward until they are. I think we need to have this
> conversation on this list so this community can decide what the
> consensus is since we'll be living in this all the time. Then we can
> talk to the website team to determine what the technical issues are and
> if they have any dependencies for us to consider.
>
> So, Countries? Languages? Mixed? And reasons.
Mixed!
I did opted for country name, however for Japan only. And
obviously not much can be said for other countries and/or
language. I also know people do argue to have language
name for Japan as well. And I think, language/cotunry name
issue aren't blank and white answer. As Jim noted, both
side has pros/cons.
What is the this new so called language portal? Who need
it for what purpose? Who would visit the site? My take
on this in case of Japan/Japanese are:
o For people in Japan (location), since it would be
nice to have site mentioning local event and such.
Since majority of people live in Japan's primary
language are Japanse, site should written in Japanese.
But not just translation of English site.
o For people who do speak Japanese. While site
primary target are people in Japan, but majority
of contents are Japanese and mostly translation,
site should still attractive to people who's
live out side of Japan and primary language are
Japanese.
I'm sure we can argue which point in above are more important
to another, but say above are reason to choose "jp" over "ja"
in this case. This however, imply that primary language for
vast majority of people who live in Japan are Japanese. And
Japanese language variation are almost non existing to people
who live out side of Japan (actually there are quite variation
within the Japan, but that is different topic).
While many other language/country combination may have similar
situation/characterics, I believe there are also many other
cases exist. For example,
o (country) Canada. Is it French or English?
In case of www.sun.com (and www.ibm.com),
they provide both. ca.sun.com/en ca.sun.com/fr.
o (language) Spanish. Where? Mexico? Spain? or
elsewhere?
I believe this is why "locale" naming are such that combination
of language and country .. (for exmaple, ja_JP, fr_CA).
Going just one way to another would require lots of resource
to prepare all possible cases which I do not think we can
able to support. So, I would think this should be case by
cases.
> Sound good?
>
> Jim
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Re: Portals Leaders List
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Dec 9, 2006 12:24 PM
in response to: jimgris
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Hello.
> So, Countries? Languages? Mixed? And reasons.
My option: Languages
1) the "browser language" preference can be used to redirect to right language
2) like some other portals:
cs.openoffice.org (http://projects.openoffice.org/native-lang.html)
cs.wikipedia.org, cs.wikibooks.org, cs.opensuse.org
3) we try to build two portals
cs.opensolaris.org => _translation_ of the OS original project (the same text, navigation and design) for developers
www.opensolaris.cz => own portal that covers specific needs to czech community with focus on users and/or administrators (combined information from opensolaris, bigadmin, blueprints, swforums, edu ... and own sources news, FAQs and HOWTOs)
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Re: Portals Leaders List
Posted:
Dec 4, 2006 8:09 PM
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Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> No leaders assigned for these countries from the original list:
>
> Italy it.opensolaris.org
>
Hi Jim, I have an idea.
Ciao Giacomo and Marco
Are you aware of anyone who could be nominated for the leader of the
Italian portal at it.opensolaris.org?
Please feel free to look at the
http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=18670 at your
earliest convenience.
Grazie, arrivederci.
Michal
IT Ops
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Re: Portals Leaders List
Posted:
Dec 5, 2006 8:34 AM
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Michal Nowak ha scritto:
> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>> No leaders assigned for these countries from the original list:
>>
>> Italy it.opensolaris.org
>>
>
> Hi Jim, I have an idea.
>
>
> Ciao Giacomo and Marco
>
> Are you aware of anyone who could be nominated for the leader of the
> Italian portal at it.opensolaris.org?
>
> Please feel free to look at the
> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=18670 at your
> earliest convenience.
Tx, Michal.
Carlo should be the right person... Carlo?
Ciao,
gt
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Global Systems Engineering
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Re: Portals Leaders List
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Dec 9, 2006 12:55 PM
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Martin,
We are trying to do actually the same - two portals: the 1st one for the
translated documentation and the 2nd for a wiki and other things. I
spent too much money on all of those opensolaris.* domains, and now
they're trying to put me out of the business. :D
Or maybe, is this possible to add a ServerAlias for language portals?
Like opensolaris.it and www.opensolaris.it -> it.opensolaris.org, etc,
etc. No, I am not interested in redirects of any kind. That would be
also a solution. Jim, answer, will you?
And yes, absolutely languages, some folks (e.g: just mentioned
wikipedia) are successful with this solution, why don't we learn from them?
ahoj,
Michal
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Re: Re: Portals Leaders List
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Dec 11, 2006 12:43 AM
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Michal Nowak wrote On 12/10/06 05:55,:
> Martin,
>
> We are trying to do actually the same - two portals: the 1st one for the
> translated documentation and the 2nd for a wiki and other things. I
> spent too much money on all of those opensolaris.* domains, and now
> they're trying to put me out of the business. :D
>
> Or maybe, is this possible to add a ServerAlias for language portals?
> Like opensolaris.it and www.opensolaris.it -> it.opensolaris.org, etc,
> etc. No, I am not interested in redirects of any kind. That would be
> also a solution. Jim, answer, will you?
Hi ... answer what? :) I'm sorry but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to
be answering here.
Jim
> And yes, absolutely languages, some folks (e.g: just mentioned
> wikipedia) are successful with this solution, why don't we learn from them?
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Re: Re: Portals Leaders List
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Dec 11, 2006 12:51 AM
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Michal Nowak wrote On 12/10/06 05:55,:
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> And yes, absolutely languages, some folks (e.g: just mentioned
> wikipedia) are successful with this solution, why don't we learn from them?
Would you find a mixed environment ok or would you prefer that we
mandate only languages or only countries? I see good arguments on both
sides. In other words, if we can get languages added to the mix, would
we then have to remove the countries?
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Re: Re: Portals Leaders List
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Dec 11, 2006 1:29 AM
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Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>> Or maybe, is this possible to add a ServerAlias for language portals?
>> Like opensolaris.it and www.opensolaris.it -> it.opensolaris.org,etc,
>> etc. No, I am not interested in redirects of any kind. That would be
>> also a solution. Jim, answer, will you?
>
> Hi ... answer what? :) I'm sorry but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to
> be answering here.
Ah, sorry for being not specific. This is kinda technical question. Will
you consider a possibility of adding extra domains for language portals
(aka ServerAlias)? Some of us already have domains under our countries
TLDs (e.g.: Martin said they have opensolairs.cz). I am sure some of us
are not going to build an another portal over there, so it would be
great to point domains back to the portal. As I said before redirects
are definitely NOT what I am looking for, as this will definitely
degrade position of a country domain.
> Would you find a mixed environment ok or would you prefer that we
mandate only languages or only countries? I see good arguments on both
sides. In other words, if we can get languages added to the mix, would
we then have to remove the countries?
Ok, lemme come again on this.
Mixed environment as it is said before would confuse only. What language
will you set as a default one for in.opensolaris.org (India)?
Michal
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