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Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
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Jan 24, 2008 9:07 AM
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hey,
I wanted to toss out some issues for discussion regarding the Advocacy
CG and the User Groups. Where are we going? How are we going to get
there? Who does what?
I'd like to explore this because as the OpenSolaris distributions mature
and become easier to install and use, the OpenSolaris community will be
reaching out to extremely large numbers of users. That will be a new
experience for many of us. We have to think in terms of hundreds of
thousands of people using our stuff in many regions around the world --
which means cutting across some big language, cultural, and technical
barriers. We already have user groups and country portals in many of
these regions, so how do we get people involved to help engage new
users? How do we establish closer relationships with the distro
developers both on and off opensolaris.org? How do we grow ourselves as
a CG at a reasonable pace? And how do we manage all those new questions
we'll get. :) I think Advocacy can easily set up some region-specific
lists that can be staffed with user group members from around the world
to answer questions and help new people out. Just one idea off the top
of my head.
Also, back six months or so we had a conversation about moving the user
groups to projects so we could raise their profile and fix the old UG
Community. That's done. User Groups are now projects just like all
projects on opensolaris.org, and they are growing at their own pace.
Perfect. But the migration of UGs to projects was always an interim
solution in my mind. What's next? Should user groups be elevated
further? Should they continue living under the Advocacy CG? Should
Advocacy and the UGs grow into some new user-specific entity or become a
separate section of opensolaris.org?
Think long term on this stuff. Nothing is going to happen fast. In fact,
I specifically want to start small and grow slowly. But I also want to
map out some possibilities and see where we have some consensus so we
actually end up where we want to be in a year or so.
Thoughts?
Jim
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
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Jan 24, 2008 4:54 PM
in response to: jimgris
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Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> hey,
>
> I wanted to toss out some issues for discussion regarding the Advocacy
> CG and the User Groups. Where are we going? How are we going to get
> there? Who does what?
>
> I'd like to explore this because as the OpenSolaris distributions mature
> and become easier to install and use, the OpenSolaris community will be
> reaching out to extremely large numbers of users. That will be a new
> experience for many of us. We have to think in terms of hundreds of
> thousands of people using our stuff in many regions around the world --
> which means cutting across some big language, cultural, and technical
> barriers. We already have user groups and country portals in many of
> these regions, so how do we get people involved to help engage new
> users? How do we establish closer relationships with the distro
> developers both on and off opensolaris.org? How do we grow ourselves as
> a CG at a reasonable pace? And how do we manage all those new questions
> we'll get. :) I think Advocacy can easily set up some region-specific
> lists that can be staffed with user group members from around the world
> to answer questions and help new people out. Just one idea off the top
> of my head.
That sounds like a good way to escalate. I think we could go a little
beyond region-specific lists, at least in places where the community
grows to a large number. Setting up UGs under a country/region portal
would automatically decentralize things. Each country could have its own
core group in charge of voting and creating UGs - as a country's
community reaches some level of maturity (and size).
Something hierarchical, OSUGs at the lowest level, then coutry/region
and then advocacy.
Regardless of the overall size of the community, the advocacy group will
continue to handle core discussions and issues. Each country/region core
group would report to advocacy.
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
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Jan 24, 2008 11:30 PM
in response to: rafaelv
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Le 25 janv. 08 à 01:54, Rafael Vanoni a écrit :
> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>> hey,
>>
>> I wanted to toss out some issues for discussion regarding the
>> Advocacy
>> CG and the User Groups. Where are we going? How are we going to get
>> there? Who does what?
Excellent question.
>>
> That sounds like a good way to escalate. I think we could go a little
> beyond region-specific lists, at least in places where the community
> grows to a large number. Setting up UGs under a country/region portal
> would automatically decentralize things. Each country could have its
> own
> core group in charge of voting and creating UGs - as a country's
> community reaches some level of maturity (and size).
Take a look to these maps :
http://www.guses.org/home/presentation/ug-maps
Do you really think we need to "decentralize" ? Please no, we
certainly need to federate. Only few countries have more than one ug.
We need clarification on contributors status, a more living web site...
>
>
> Something hierarchical, OSUGs at the lowest level, then coutry/region
> and then advocacy.
>
> Regardless of the overall size of the community, the advocacy group
> will
> continue to handle core discussions and issues. Each country/region
> core
> group would report to advocacy.
Core discussions...hum. We may need a list specific on ugs, which
distribute to all user-groups...we need to federate ug a bit more !
Who here is a european member and does know me ? Who knows where he
could find presentations samples, etc.....
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
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Jan 25, 2008 4:15 AM
in response to: ndorf
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Nicolas Dorfsman wrote:
> Le 25 janv. 08 à 01:54, Rafael Vanoni a écrit :
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>
>> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>>
>>> hey,
>>>
>>> I wanted to toss out some issues for discussion regarding the
>>> Advocacy
>>> CG and the User Groups. Where are we going? How are we going to get
>>> there? Who does what?
>>>
>
> Excellent question.
>
>
>> That sounds like a good way to escalate. I think we could go a little
>> beyond region-specific lists, at least in places where the community
>> grows to a large number. Setting up UGs under a country/region portal
>> would automatically decentralize things. Each country could have its
>> own
>> core group in charge of voting and creating UGs - as a country's
>> community reaches some level of maturity (and size).
>>
>
> Take a look to these maps :
> http://www.guses.org/home/presentation/ug-maps
>
> Do you really think we need to "decentralize" ? Please no, we
> certainly need to federate. Only few countries have more than one ug.
>
How do we federate?
> We need clarification on contributors status, a more living web site...
>
Clarification how? Is the constitution not clear? I think you may mean
how do the UGs develop contributors and core contributors within
Advocacy. Is that right? If so, I agree. :)
>
>> Something hierarchical, OSUGs at the lowest level, then coutry/region
>> and then advocacy.
>>
>> Regardless of the overall size of the community, the advocacy group
>> will
>> continue to handle core discussions and issues. Each country/region
>> core
>> group would report to advocacy.
>>
>
>
> Core discussions...hum. We may need a list specific on ugs, which
> distribute to all user-groups...we need to federate ug a bit more !
>
We had ug-discuss and now we have advocacy-discuss and the same problem
exists -- only a few groups participate /across/ the entire user group
community. I'm not seeing a good reason to keep the UGs within Advocacy,
to be honest. I think the are buried in here.
> Who here is a european member and does know me ? Who knows where he
> could find presentations samples, etc.....
> _______________________________________________
>
>
I think people have to dig through each UG to find stuff. Some of it is
centralized, but most of the content is now distributed. At least the
list of groups is in one place now. :)
Jim
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
Posted:
Jan 25, 2008 5:37 AM
in response to: jimgris
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Le 25 janv. 08 à 13:15, Jim Grisanzio a écrit :
> Nicolas Dorfsman wrote:
>> Le 25 janv. 08 à 01:54, Rafael Vanoni a écrit :
>>
>>
>>> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>>>
>> Take a look to these maps :
>> http://www.guses.org/home/presentation/ug-maps
>>
>> Do you really think we need to "decentralize" ? Please no, we
>> certainly need to federate. Only few countries have more than one ug.
>>
> How do we federate?
The only way is to create communication pipes between ugs.
i.e.: organizing inter-ug events
>> We need clarification on contributors status, a more living web
>> site...
>>
> Clarification how? Is the constitution not clear? I think you may
> mean how do the UGs develop contributors and core contributors
> within Advocacy. Is that right? If so, I agree. :)
Correct. That was what I meant.
>> Core discussions...hum. We may need a list specific on ugs, which
>> distribute to all user-groups...we need to federate ug a bit more !
>
> We had ug-discuss and now we have advocacy-discuss and the same
> problem exists -- only a few groups participate /across/ the entire
> user group community. I'm not seeing a good reason to keep the UGs
> within Advocacy, to be honest. I think the are buried in here.
Probably right.
>> Who here is a european member and does know me ? Who knows where
>> he could find presentations samples, etc.....
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
> I think people have to dig through each UG to find stuff. Some of it
> is centralized, but most of the content is now distributed. At least
> the list of groups is in one place now. :)
Dig through the 60 projects, with many of them speaking their own
language ?
I really appreciated to find the "old" central repository for
presentation with template. I'd really like to have something like
this, re-directing to ugs sites. I mean something sorted by subject
and language. When I want to hold a presentation on ZFS....ok let's
see what other ugs are telling about. Etc.
Don't forget some UGs are not lead by Sun employee...our members have
to create by themselves all contents they put in their presentations.
Any kind of "federation" coudl benefit to all the community.
Nicolas
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
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Jan 25, 2008 6:10 AM
in response to: ndorf
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Hey folks,
On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 14:37 +0100, Nicolas Dorfsman wrote:
> >> Who here is a european member and does know me ? Who knows where
> >> he could find presentations samples, etc.....
I've an idea :-) How about a repository of presentations that all user
groups could share:
http://opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/os-presentations/
or perhaps more articles on the advocacy page contributed by members of
user groups:
http://opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/help/
(I'd love us to collaborate on a set of elevator-pitches around
OpenSolaris, what is it in a nutshell, what are it's new/exciting
features. )
Other stuff ? Broadcasting our meetings a bit more would be great - the
SVOSUG this morning/last night did an excellent ustream.tv broadcast of
Jim Hughes talking about Indiana (which I'm still watching in my spare
time) but at the same time I'm now ripping the audio to pop in the
IE-OSUG podcast feed as a service to people who want to listen to
OpenSolaris-content on the move.
( http://opensolaris.org/os/project/ie-osug/podcast/ [1])
Likewise, there's the "OpenSolaris news" posts I've been doing for a
while:
http://blogs.sun.com/timf/category/OpenSolaris+Monthly
All of these things benefit the IE-OSUG certainly, but they also benefit
all other user groups - but unless we broadcast what we're doing to each
other on this alias, we'll remain separate entities - the opensolaris
website and mailing lists can easily tie us together.
> Any kind of "federation" coudl benefit to all the community.
So in a sense, we're already federated, to the extent that we all share
a common goal and a love of opensolaris - it's now a case of each user
group being diligent about sharing content, getting slides up, helping
each other out - and hopefully meeting up from time to time for a beer
or two :-)
cheers,
tim
[1] these have been hugely successful, for example our last meeting in
November had maybe 20 attendees in person, but the recording itself has
had 997 downloads to date! (whether those are just rss robots hitting
the mp3, or actual people listening to our content, I can't tell) The
rss feed has been pinged 8900 times since it was last updated with that
content, so it's not just the feed being prodded.
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
Posted:
Jan 25, 2008 3:30 PM
in response to: timf
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Le 25 janv. 08 à 15:15, Tim Foster a écrit :
> Hey folks,
>
> On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 14:37 +0100, Nicolas Dorfsman wrote:
>>>> Who here is a european member and does know me ? Who knows where
>>>> he could find presentations samples, etc.....
>
> I've an idea :-) How about a repository of presentations that all user
> groups could share:
>
> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/os-presentations/
I appreciated this page for my first shots !
I'd like some enhancements like having a page (or something
else...bullet, line) by subject, a sort by language...
And something up to date...we'd need to ping ugs...and maybe more than
ONE maintainer.
> Other stuff ? Broadcasting our meetings a bit more would be great -
> the
> SVOSUG this morning/last night did an excellent ustream.tv broadcast
> of
> Jim Hughes talking about Indiana (which I'm still watching in my spare
> time) but at the same time I'm now ripping the audio to pop in the
> IE-OSUG podcast feed as a service to people who want to listen to
> OpenSolaris-content on the move.
> ( http://opensolaris.org/os/project/ie-osug/podcast/ [1])
Video and podcasts are wonderful promotions material.
We try to have videos of our show...not so easy to do.
Nicolas
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
Posted:
Jan 28, 2008 3:48 PM
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Tim Foster wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> I've an idea :-) How about a repository of presentations that all user
> groups could share:
Yep. A repository is good. We just need to figure out a way so
everyone can upload to it. Maybe a wiki like genunix.org is a
better approach if it can handle the amount of data. We have
the technology with opensolaris.org, but it's not available or
easy to manage at a community level unless you make everyone
a leader.
We can't have a situation where one person has to do all the work.
We have grown to big for that.
Cheers,
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
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Jan 29, 2008 12:43 AM
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Jim Walker wrote:
> Tim Foster wrote:
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>> Hey folks,
>>
>> I've an idea :-) How about a repository of presentations that all user
>> groups could share:
>>
>
> Yep. A repository is good. We just need to figure out a way so
> everyone can upload to it. Maybe a wiki like genunix.org is a
> better approach if it can handle the amount of data. We have
> the technology with opensolaris.org, but it's not available or
> easy to manage at a community level unless you make everyone
> a leader.
>
> We can't have a situation where one person has to do all the work.
> We have grown to big for that.
>
Agree. We are way too big now and there's no way to make everyone an
editor under the current opensolaris.org structure. But instead of
centralizing the presentations physically on one page, why not just
create a page of pointers to the presentations that are distributed
across all the UG projects?
Jim
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
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Jan 29, 2008 8:01 AM
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Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> Jim Walker wrote:
>
>> Tim Foster wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hey folks,
>>>
>>> I've an idea :-) How about a repository of presentations that all user
>>> groups could share:
>>>
>>>
>> Yep. A repository is good. We just need to figure out a way so
>> everyone can upload to it. Maybe a wiki like genunix.org is a
>> better approach if it can handle the amount of data. We have
>> the technology with opensolaris.org, but it's not available or
>> easy to manage at a community level unless you make everyone
>> a leader.
>>
>> We can't have a situation where one person has to do all the work.
>> We have grown to big for that.
>>
>>
>
> Agree. We are way too big now and there's no way to make everyone an
> editor under the current opensolaris.org structure. But instead of
> centralizing the presentations physically on one page, why not just
> create a page of pointers to the presentations that are distributed
> across all the UG projects?
>
> Jim
>
>
The other option is the distributed model, where all we house are
pointers to presentations that are maintained off-site. The down side
is, of course, broken pointers....
rich
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
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Jan 29, 2008 10:01 AM
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On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 16:50 -0700, Jim Walker wrote:
> > I've an idea :-) How about a repository of presentations that all user
> > groups could share:
>
> Yep. A repository is good. We just need to figure out a way so
> everyone can upload to it. Maybe a wiki like genunix.org is a
> better approach if it can handle the amount of data. We have
> the technology with opensolaris.org, but it's not available or
> easy to manage at a community level unless you make everyone
> a leader.
Yep, I agree - anyone know if genunix.org would be willing to host this
and whether the wiki has the ability to either provide sortable tables,
or embed the javascript that's currently at
http://opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/os-presentations/ ?
If it's just a case of switching the data over, just tell me where to
sign up! :-)
[ if so, could we get web-server redirects from the os-presentations
page over to genunix.org ? ]
> We can't have a situation where one person has to do all the work.
> We have grown to big for that.
Yeah, I've not had the chance to update the table since Oct '07 :-(
cheers,
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
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Jan 29, 2008 10:09 AM
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Le 29 janv. 08 à 19:01, Tim Foster a écrit :
>
> On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 16:50 -0700, Jim Walker wrote:
>>> I've an idea :-) How about a repository of presentations that all
>>> user
>>> groups could share:
>>
>> Yep. A repository is good. We just need to figure out a way so
>> everyone can upload to it. Maybe a wiki like genunix.org is a
>> better approach if it can handle the amount of data. We have
>> the technology with opensolaris.org, but it's not available or
>> easy to manage at a community level unless you make everyone
>> a leader.
>
> Yep, I agree - anyone know if genunix.org would be willing to host
> this
> and whether the wiki has the ability to either provide sortable
> tables,
> or embed the javascript that's currently at
> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/os-presentations/ ?
>
> If it's just a case of switching the data over, just tell me where to
> sign up! :-)
We (ug) all (or almost :) ) have a page with our presentations.
IMHO, the need is to have a table with re-directs.
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
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Jan 29, 2008 10:49 AM
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On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 19:09 +0100, Nicolas Dorfsman wrote:
> > http://opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/os-presentations/ ?
> >
> > If it's just a case of switching the data over, just tell me where to
> > sign up! :-)
>
> We (ug) all (or almost :) ) have a page with our presentations.
> IMHO, the need is to have a table with re-directs.
I agree - the table on the os.o page is already a table with redirects
(indeed, very little of the content is local to that page) but
unfortunately as others have mentioned, that page is one that can
a) only be maintained by leaders of the advocacy community
b) be forgotten about when you're posting presentations on your own page
- I'd lo****ome all-singing-all-dancing RSS thingamajig that allows the
advocacy community webpage to subscribe to "presentation feeds" from all
user groups, and have it the table update automatically, but I strongly
suspect that'll never happen, because it requires
a) someone to write the **** webapp
b) user groups to actually publish/announce their presentations in a
standard way (sometimes publishing them at all seems to be a push[1]!)
In the meantime, Jim's idea of moving this to a wiki would at least take
the guilt of having our "central list of presentations" being out of
date off *my* shoulders, well, a little bit anyway.
I'd still probably end up sending begging letters to advocacy-discuss
from time to time looking for people to help keep the table up to date.
[ I still love this table though, as it give an at-a-glance view of how
active we've been during a given time period - the only flaw is it needs
constant care and attention to ensure it remains accurate ]
It would be preferable to see all presentations on a single page, rather
than say:
* click here for svosug presentations
* click here for frosug presentations
* click here for ieosug presentations
etc.
- getting the speakers name, the date, the presentation title, the
venue and the topic area are all must-haves imho. (search engines like
that sort of thing)
cheers,
tim
[1] ieosug is guilty of this too
[2] okay, maybe I made that bit up
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
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Jan 29, 2008 11:08 AM
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Tim Foster wrote:
> In the meantime, Jim's idea of moving this to a wiki would at least take
> the guilt of having our "central list of presentations" being out of
> date off *my* shoulders, well, a little bit anyway.
How about using a simple media-wiki Category trick to do all this for you
somewhat automagically:
Put all your presentations on the genunix wiki, one page per
preso. On the bottom of each of these pages, put the string
[[Category:UserGroupPresentation]] The preso itself (pdf,
soffice source, a website elsewhere) doesn't have to be there,
just a cover page/intro that contains this tag.
Create the Category page for the presentations
Category:UserGroupPresentation
Add whatever generic content you wish; the mediawiki engine will
put a table at the end of the page when it is displayed that
contains links to all the pages in the wiki tagged with the category
tag as above.
For an example, see my Open Source Hardware page on spcoast.com,
which uses mediawiki as well:
http://www.spcoast.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Detector
This page references a bunch of sub-pages:
* Detector Construction
* Detector LocoIO Configuration
* Detector Testing
* Detector Theory of Operation
* Detector Track Connections
As I add additional pages with the tag, this page display is
updated automatically.
A page can have multiple category tags, so things can be sliced
and diced in many different ways.
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> On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 16:50 -0700, Jim Walker wrote:
>>> I've an idea :-) How about a repository of presentations that all user
>>> groups could share:
>> Yep. A repository is good. We just need to figure out a way so
>> everyone can upload to it. Maybe a wiki like genunix.org is a
>> better approach if it can handle the amount of data. We have
>> the technology with opensolaris.org, but it's not available or
>> easy to manage at a community level unless you make everyone
>> a leader.
>
> Yep, I agree - anyone know if genunix.org would be willing to host this
> and whether the wiki has the ability to either provide sortable tables,
> or embed the javascript that's currently at
> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/os-presentations/ ?
I tried making a sortable table on the genunix.org wiki a couple months
ago, but it appears it's using too old of a version of MediaWiki to have
that feature - perhaps if someone asked Ben & Al nicely an upgrade could
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> Jim Walker <James dot Walker at Sun dot COM> wrote:
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>> Nicolas Dorfsman wrote:
>>> Take a look to these maps :
>>> http://www.guses.org/home/presentation/ug-maps
>>
>> Great map.
>
> But why is there a different color for poland?
Maps (except OpenSolaris ug location ;) ) are from the Nations Online
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Legend says :
EU Members for the Germany color
EU Members since 2004 for Poland color
> Between Germany and Poland there is not even a customs inspection
> anymore....
Yep. I'm near Spain (Toulouse)...it's really funny...and maybe odd (?)
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Really hard for them to imagine they was a separation just in the
middle of a bridge or in the middle of nowhere ! ;-)
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
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Rafael Vanoni wrote:
> That sounds like a good way to escalate. I think we could go a little
> beyond region-specific lists, at least in places where the community
> grows to a large number. Setting up UGs under a country/region portal
> would automatically decentralize things. Each country could have its own
> core group in charge of voting and creating UGs - as a country's
> community reaches some level of maturity (and size).
>
So, would that be the existing portals or a new set of groups?
> Something hierarchical, OSUGs at the lowest level, then coutry/region
> and then advocacy.
>
So, insert the portals in between the UGs and Advocacy? I like the idea
of integrating the portals into this mix somehow.
> Regardless of the overall size of the community, the advocacy group will
> continue to handle core discussions and issues. Each country/region core
> group would report to advocacy.
>
One of the issues I'm having now is reaching all the UGs via
advocacy-discuss. If I have to get all of them for some reason, I have
to ping all 60 lists. How do we solve that problem? Of is it not a
problem to solve? :)
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
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Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> Rafael Vanoni wrote:
>> That sounds like a good way to escalate. I think we could go a little
>> beyond region-specific lists, at least in places where the community
>> grows to a large number. Setting up UGs under a country/region portal
>> would automatically decentralize things. Each country could have its own
>> core group in charge of voting and creating UGs - as a country's
>> community reaches some level of maturity (and size).
>>
> So, would that be the existing portals or a new set of groups?
The existing ones, they are already set and with active leadership.
>> Something hierarchical, OSUGs at the lowest level, then coutry/region
>> and then advocacy.
>>
> So, insert the portals in between the UGs and Advocacy? I like the idea
> of integrating the portals into this mix somehow.
>> Regardless of the overall size of the community, the advocacy group will
>> continue to handle core discussions and issues. Each country/region core
>> group would report to advocacy.
>>
> One of the issues I'm having now is reaching all the UGs via
> advocacy-discuss. If I have to get all of them for some reason, I have
> to ping all 60 lists. How do we solve that problem? Of is it not a
> problem to solve? :)
Well, I don't think it is currently a problem. The constitution is clear
about this, every UG leader subscribes to advocacy and should receive
your emails.
The underlining problem is when the said leader(s) are not involved and
don't convey the message to their groups. In that case, we'd be
interested in insisting and talking directly to the UG (or something
like that). But it's a different situation.
In the future, you could delegate it to each country/region's core
group. They will surely know each UG and their members, maybe
personally. Getting the message across won't be an issue.
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
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Rafael Vanoni wrote:
> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>> Rafael Vanoni wrote:
>>> That sounds like a good way to escalate. I think we could go a
>>> little beyond region-specific lists, at least in places where the
>>> community grows to a large number. Setting up UGs under a
>>> country/region portal would automatically decentralize things. Each
>>> country could have its own core group in charge of voting and
>>> creating UGs - as a country's community reaches some level of
>>> maturity (and size).
>>>
>> So, would that be the existing portals or a new set of groups?
>
> The existing ones, they are already set and with active leadership.
Ok, cool. I agree. From what I've seen so far, I think we should
consider looking at the portals and the user groups together. Thanks for
bringing this up.
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
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Jim,
I think the website components user groups have by being projects
is great. It makes it easy to organize meetings, presentations and
events.
But, if I came into the opensolaris.org site as a first time user I would
have to know to go to the Advocacy Community and do a few more
clicks to get a list of user groups before I could see which ones were
in my area, or know to go to the Projects page and sort through a long
list of projects to find the user groups.
It might be good to have a User Groups button under Projects (or
someplace else) in the sidebar that goes to this page:
http://opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/usergroups
Actually, it would be nice to get to this page with one sidebar click:
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/usergroups/ug-leaders/
Also, it would be cool to have an interactive map showing where
the user groups were located around the world.
Cheers,
Jim
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> hey,
>
> I wanted to toss out some issues for discussion regarding the Advocacy
> CG and the User Groups. Where are we going? How are we going to get
> there? Who does what?
>
> I'd like to explore this because as the OpenSolaris distributions mature
> and become easier to install and use, the OpenSolaris community will be
> reaching out to extremely large numbers of users. That will be a new
> experience for many of us. We have to think in terms of hundreds of
> thousands of people using our stuff in many regions around the world --
> which means cutting across some big language, cultural, and technical
> barriers. We already have user groups and country portals in many of
> these regions, so how do we get people involved to help engage new
> users? How do we establish closer relationships with the distro
> developers both on and off opensolaris.org? How do we grow ourselves as
> a CG at a reasonable pace? And how do we manage all those new questions
> we'll get. :) I think Advocacy can easily set up some region-specific
> lists that can be staffed with user group members from around the world
> to answer questions and help new people out. Just one idea off the top
> of my head.
>
> Also, back six months or so we had a conversation about moving the user
> groups to projects so we could raise their profile and fix the old UG
> Community. That's done. User Groups are now projects just like all
> projects on opensolaris.org, and they are growing at their own pace.
> Perfect. But the migration of UGs to projects was always an interim
> solution in my mind. What's next? Should user groups be elevated
> further? Should they continue living under the Advocacy CG? Should
> Advocacy and the UGs grow into some new user-specific entity or become a
> separate section of opensolaris.org?
>
> Think long term on this stuff. Nothing is going to happen fast. In fact,
> I specifically want to start small and grow slowly. But I also want to
> map out some possibilities and see where we have some consensus so we
> actually end up where we want to be in a year or so.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Jim
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
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+ 1
On Jan 25, 2008, at 1:00 AM, Jim Walker <James dot Walker at Sun dot COM> wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I think the website components user groups have by being projects
> is great. It makes it easy to organize meetings, presentations and
> events.
>
> But, if I came into the opensolaris.org site as a first time user I
> would
> have to know to go to the Advocacy Community and do a few more
> clicks to get a list of user groups before I could see which ones were
> in my area, or know to go to the Projects page and sort through a long
> list of projects to find the user groups.
>
> It might be good to have a User Groups button under Projects (or
> someplace else) in the sidebar that goes to this page:
> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/usergroups
>
> Actually, it would be nice to get to this page with one sidebar click:
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/usergroups/ug-
> leaders/
>
> Also, it would be cool to have an interactive map showing where
> the user groups were located around the world.
>
> Cheers,
> Jim
>
> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>> hey,
>>
>> I wanted to toss out some issues for discussion regarding the
>> Advocacy
>> CG and the User Groups. Where are we going? How are we going to get
>> there? Who does what?
>>
>> I'd like to explore this because as the OpenSolaris distributions
>> mature
>> and become easier to install and use, the OpenSolaris community
>> will be
>> reaching out to extremely large numbers of users. That will be a new
>> experience for many of us. We have to think in terms of hundreds of
>> thousands of people using our stuff in many regions around the
>> world --
>> which means cutting across some big language, cultural, and technical
>> barriers. We already have user groups and country portals in many of
>> these regions, so how do we get people involved to help engage new
>> users? How do we establish closer relationships with the distro
>> developers both on and off opensolaris.org? How do we grow
>> ourselves as
>> a CG at a reasonable pace? And how do we manage all those new
>> questions
>> we'll get. :) I think Advocacy can easily set up some region-specific
>> lists that can be staffed with user group members from around the
>> world
>> to answer questions and help new people out. Just one idea off the
>> top
>> of my head.
>>
>> Also, back six months or so we had a conversation about moving the
>> user
>> groups to projects so we could raise their profile and fix the old UG
>> Community. That's done. User Groups are now projects just like all
>> projects on opensolaris.org, and they are growing at their own pace.
>> Perfect. But the migration of UGs to projects was always an interim
>> solution in my mind. What's next? Should user groups be elevated
>> further? Should they continue living under the Advocacy CG? Should
>> Advocacy and the UGs grow into some new user-specific entity or
>> become a
>> separate section of opensolaris.org?
>>
>> Think long term on this stuff. Nothing is going to happen fast. In
>> fact,
>> I specifically want to start small and grow slowly. But I also want
>> to
>> map out some possibilities and see where we have some consensus so we
>> actually end up where we want to be in a year or so.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Jim
>>
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
Posted:
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Jim Walker wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I think the website components user groups have by being projects
> is great. It makes it easy to organize meetings, presentations and
> events.
>
> But, if I came into the opensolaris.org site as a first time user I would
> have to know to go to the Advocacy Community and do a few more
> clicks to get a list of user groups before I could see which ones were
> in my area, or know to go to the Projects page and sort through a long
> list of projects to find the user groups.
>
> It might be good to have a User Groups button under Projects (or
> someplace else) in the sidebar that goes to this page:
> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/usergroups
>
> Actually, it would be nice to get to this page with one sidebar click:
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/usergroups/ug-leaders/
>
> Also, it would be cool to have an interactive map showing where
> the user groups were located around the world.
>
Yah, we had a box on the front page for User Groups pointing to the list
of groups, but it got smoked with the front page roll-back with the
Indiana controversy. And now that we have a OGB committee overlooking
the front page, I'm not sure how to get it back. I'll check with Derek
on that. Perhaps I'll just propose it and work it through the committee.
But I agree. Although the UGs are better off now, we can still raise
their profile substantially. I like the work map bit, too.
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
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Jim Walker wrote:
> But, if I came into the opensolaris.org site as a first time user I would
> have to know to go to the Advocacy Community and do a few more
> clicks to get a list of user groups before I could see which ones were
> in my area, or know to go to the Projects page and sort through a long
> list of projects to find the user groups.
>
> It might be good to have a User Groups button under Projects (or
> someplace else) in the sidebar that goes to this page:
> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/usergroups
I asked on website-discuss how to get a UG link back on the front page
of the site. We don't know what the process is since the OGB's editorial
committee is not functioning yet. Hopefully, we can get the UG link back
in a box on the front page when the CommunityOne box is taken down after
the conference.
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
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Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> Jim Walker wrote:
>> But, if I came into the opensolaris.org site as a first time user I would
>> have to know to go to the Advocacy Community and do a few more
>> clicks to get a list of user groups before I could see which ones were
>> in my area, or know to go to the Projects page and sort through a long
>> list of projects to find the user groups.
>>
>> It might be good to have a User Groups button under Projects (or
>> someplace else) in the sidebar that goes to this page:
>> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/usergroups
>
> I asked on website-discuss how to get a UG link back on the front page
> of the site. We don't know what the process is since the OGB's editorial
> committee is not functioning yet. Hopefully, we can get the UG link back
> in a box on the front page when the CommunityOne box is taken down after
> the conference.
I don't think we should wait until after May. User Groups are one of the most
active areas of OpenSolaris, and we continue to add new User Groups every
month. The key event boxes are nice on the right hand side, and that space
may be best kept for that purpose. A box for user groups would be nice, but
a "User Groups" link under Connect on the left sidebar may do the job. Events
are great, but User Groups are the bread and butter of the Advocacy Community
long term.
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
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Jim Walker wrote:
> Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>
>> Jim Walker wrote:
>>
>>> But, if I came into the opensolaris.org site as a first time user I would
>>> have to know to go to the Advocacy Community and do a few more
>>> clicks to get a list of user groups before I could see which ones were
>>> in my area, or know to go to the Projects page and sort through a long
>>> list of projects to find the user groups.
>>>
>>> It might be good to have a User Groups button under Projects (or
>>> someplace else) in the sidebar that goes to this page:
>>> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/usergroups
>>>
>> I asked on website-discuss how to get a UG link back on the front page
>> of the site. We don't know what the process is since the OGB's editorial
>> committee is not functioning yet. Hopefully, we can get the UG link back
>> in a box on the front page when the CommunityOne box is taken down after
>> the conference.
>>
>
> I don't think we should wait until after May. User Groups are one of the most
> active areas of OpenSolaris, and we continue to add new User Groups every
> month. The key event boxes are nice on the right hand side, and that space
> may be best kept for that purpose. A box for user groups would be nice, but
> a "User Groups" link under Connect on the left sidebar may do the job. Events
> are great, but User Groups are the bread and butter of the Advocacy Community
> long term.
>
A link is a good idea. I'll ask the OGB's editorial committee if we are
allowed to have a link.
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
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Jim Walker wrote:
>
> I don't think we should wait until after May. User Groups are one of
> the most
> active areas of OpenSolaris, and we continue to add new User Groups every
> month. The key event boxes are nice on the right hand side, and that
> space
> may be best kept for that purpose. A box for user groups would be
> nice, but
> a "User Groups" link under Connect on the left sidebar may do the job.
> Events
> are great, but User Groups are the bread and butter of the Advocacy
> Community
> long term.
The OGB editorial committee approved our link for the front page. Thanks
for pushing this, Jim. :)
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Re: Advocacy & User Groups: The Future
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Great!
Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> Jim Walker wrote:
>> I don't think we should wait until after May. User Groups are one of
>> the most
>> active areas of OpenSolaris, and we continue to add new User Groups every
>> month. The key event boxes are nice on the right hand side, and that
>> space
>> may be best kept for that purpose. A box for user groups would be
>> nice, but
>> a "User Groups" link under Connect on the left sidebar may do the job.
>> Events
>> are great, but User Groups are the bread and butter of the Advocacy
>> Community
>> long term.
>
>
> The OGB editorial committee approved our link for the front page. Thanks
> for pushing this, Jim. :)
>
> Jim
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